{"id":58746,"date":"2025-06-16T00:01:41","date_gmt":"2025-06-16T04:01:41","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.shamusyoung.com\/twentysidedtale\/?p=58746"},"modified":"2025-06-15T19:01:29","modified_gmt":"2025-06-15T23:01:29","slug":"i-grew-up-with-two-songs-called-forever-young","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.shamusyoung.com\/twentysidedtale\/?p=58746","title":{"rendered":"I Grew Up With Two Songs Called &#8220;Forever Young&#8221;"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>More on that in a minute. I decided to try using Opera on Linux instead of Firefox. My motivation is the influence Google has been exerting on Firefox coupled with suspiciously-rapid &#8220;updates&#8221; over the last couple of months or so. Of course, I want to be clear: choosing Opera over Firefox because of problems with Google&#8217;s influence is a bit like saying &#8220;I don&#8217;t like how General Motors controls Opel so I&#8217;ll buy a Chevy instead.&#8221; Firefox is still based on the Gecko engine; Opera is built on Chromium. As in, Chrome. I have, however; accomplished some of the things I needed to do in order to move on to maybe a more secure and less-Google influenced browser, like maybe LibreWolf. Most importantly I broke my dependence on Firefox&#8217;s sync settings, and the Linux version of Opera (in my experience so far) WILL NOT import ANYTHING from any external browser. Or rather, at least; the EASY way. It won&#8217;t detect that I have Firefox installed. I had to manually export bookmarks to a file then import it. And since I&#8217;ve been meaning to move all my Firefox-stored passwords to Bitwarden for a while, I finally went through that process. After some setup Opera works&#8230;fine. I have noticed that it slows down after a while doing playlist management in YouTube, but some things work better on Opera than on Firefox, like video redirects on some sites. Certain ones don&#8217;t work on Firefox; they do on Opera. Bit of a surprise honestly, because I thought they were just broken. I will likely try LibreWolf sooner rather than later. Firefox works *well* for me, I just want to get further away from Google.<\/p>\n<p><!--more--><\/p>\n<p>When I talk about songs named &#8220;Forever Young&#8221; I want to acknowledge there are, of course, more than two. Many songs have the same title. Constraining the list to popular, well-known, successful songs does limit the range a bit more. For instance, Jay-Z released a song in 2010 called &#8220;Young Forever&#8221; which re-works one of the two songs I&#8217;m talking about. In fact, the first-released song has been so extensively covered I wouldn&#8217;t be surprised if, especially in America, the original release is barely remembered.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\"><iframe loading=\"lazy\" title=\"Rod Stewart - Forever Young (Official Video)\" width=\"500\" height=\"281\" src=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/embed\/mwG6g5boyF4?feature=oembed\" frameborder=\"0\" allow=\"accelerometer; autoplay; clipboard-write; encrypted-media; gyroscope; picture-in-picture; web-share\" referrerpolicy=\"strict-origin-when-cross-origin\" allowfullscreen><\/iframe><\/p>\n<p>In fact the first song *I* remember called &#8220;Forever Young&#8221; was released by Rod Stewart in 1988. &#8220;<a href=\"https:\/\/youtu.be\/mwG6g5boyF4?si=GrP0S9VTyJQherhw\">Forever Young<\/a>&#8221; was co-written with two band members and was about Stewart&#8217;s two children, Sean and Kimberly. Stewart, as a working and, more specifically, *touring* artist had missed most the previous few years of his children&#8217;s lives. The lyrics come off as a bit melancholic despite essentially being a litany of well-wishes for his kids. UNFORTUNATELY when the song was done, someone pointed out that it was essentially a recreation of Bob Dylan&#8217;s &#8220;Forever Young&#8221; from 1973. Not identical, but honestly you can record exactly the same song as Dylan WORD FOR WORD and get something completely different. Case-in-point, parody artist and humorist Don Bowman recorded an effectively identical version of &#8220;Alice&#8217;s Restaurant&#8221; that comes off as pure comedy by Bowman while the original makes its satire and commentary clear. Same words, same structure, same music. Same performance. Different voices. I&#8217;m not even sure the intention was different; Don Bowman is just inherently funny, and you expect funny things from him. And &#8220;Alice&#8217;s Restaurant&#8221; *is* funny. Anyway, the point is Rod sent a copy of the lyrics or a recording, the story is different on the source, and told Dylan that honestly, truly, he wasn&#8217;t trying to rip Dylan off and they could share songwriting credits, which Bob Dylan agreed to.<\/p>\n<p>The lyrics are as follows:<\/p>\n<blockquote>\n<div class=\"Lyrics__Container-sc-3d1d18a3-1 bjajog\" data-lyrics-container=\"true\"><span class=\"ReferentFragment-desktop__Highlight-sc-380d78dd-1 fIkrDi\">May the good Lord be with you<\/span><br \/>Down every road you roam<br \/>And may sunshine and happiness<br \/>Surround you when you&#8217;re far from home<br \/>And may you grow to be proud<br \/>Dignified and true<br \/><span class=\"ReferentFragment-desktop__Highlight-sc-380d78dd-1 fIkrDi\">And do unto others<br \/>As you&#8217;d have done to you<\/span><\/p>\n<p>Be courageous and be brave<br \/>And in my heart, you&#8217;ll always stay<br \/>Forever young [ECHO-forever young]<br \/>Forever young [ECHO-forever young]<\/p>\n<p>May good fortune be with you<br \/>May your guiding light be strong<br \/><span class=\"ReferentFragment-desktop__Highlight-sc-380d78dd-1 fIkrDi\">Build a stairway to Heaven<br \/>With a prince or a vagabond<\/span><\/p>\n<p>And may you never love in vain<br \/>And in my heart you will remain<br \/>Forever young [ECHO-forever young]<br \/>Forever young [ECHO-forever young]<br \/>Forever young [ECHO-forever young]<\/div>\n<div class=\"Lyrics__Container-sc-3d1d18a3-1 bjajog\" data-lyrics-container=\"true\">\u00a0<\/div>\n<div class=\"Lyrics__Container-sc-3d1d18a3-1 bjajog\" data-lyrics-container=\"true\">[Instrumental Break]<\/p>\n<p><span class=\"ReferentFragment-desktop__Highlight-sc-380d78dd-1 fIkrDi\">And when you finally fly away<br \/>I&#8217;ll be hoping that I served you well<\/span><br \/>For all the wisdom of a lifetime<br \/>No one can ever tell<\/p>\n<p>But whatever road you choose<br \/>I&#8217;m right behind you, win or lose<br \/>Forever young [ECHO- forever young]<br \/>Forever young [ECHO-forever young]<br \/>Forever young [ECHO-forever young]<br \/>For, For, ever young<\/div>\n<\/blockquote>\n<div data-lyrics-container=\"true\">And so for years, decades even; I just assumed if I ever heard the phrase &#8220;forever young&#8221; in a song that I has hearing some version of *this* song. I mean, it was Rod Stewart accidentally riffing on BOB DYLAN, how could there actually be a super-popular song of the same name?<\/div>\n<div data-lyrics-container=\"true\">\u00a0<\/div>\n<div data-lyrics-container=\"true\">But there was. One older and extremely influential that, coincidentally, was never very popular in Britain or the U.S. Yes, despite Rod Stewart being British; his &#8220;Forever Young&#8221; was not that popular in Britain. It was HUGE in America. I&#8217;m guessing because it came out during the era of Soft Rock and specifically in a period when Stewart has very popular in the U.S.<\/div>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\"><iframe loading=\"lazy\" title=\"Big in Japan\" width=\"500\" height=\"375\" src=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/embed\/E2HeDHkL9kg?feature=oembed\" frameborder=\"0\" allow=\"accelerometer; autoplay; clipboard-write; encrypted-media; gyroscope; picture-in-picture; web-share\" referrerpolicy=\"strict-origin-when-cross-origin\" allowfullscreen><\/iframe><\/p>\n<div data-lyrics-container=\"true\">Do remember Alphaville? You should, even though most people don&#8217;t anymore. Their debut single was &#8220;<a href=\"https:\/\/youtu.be\/tl6u2NASUzU?si=9jb69cIvKEcn28Tw\">Big In Japan<\/a>.&#8221; Yeah, those guys. They created that. Alphaville was a German synth band. They also didn&#8217;t really *do* English, but as they were trying to reach a pretty broad audience most of their &#8220;big&#8221; work was recorded and produced in English. The third track from their debut album was &#8220;<a href=\"https:\/\/youtu.be\/YHRvDo8rUoQ?si=5XoeJ56kOgpMQdz8\">Forever Young<\/a>.&#8221; If you pay attention you probably have heard this song, or at least a cover. Of course if you pay attention you probably were also aware this is a *completely different* song from Rod Stewart&#8217;s, but here&#8217;s my argument for why you might not. The song was NOT a big hit in the U.S. &#8220;Forever Young&#8221; peaked at #93 on the Top 100 in 1985, and #65 when re-released in 1988. It did better in dance clubs, and various dance remixes have remained popular, but it never achieved mainstream fame. Dozens of covers have been produced. The one that finally stuck in my head enough that I realized it had to be a different song was, bizarrely, released by Tiffany (the late-80&#8217;s soft-pop singer) on a cover compilation album in 2011: &#8220;<a href=\"https:\/\/www.discogs.com\/release\/28050825-Tiffany-Greatest-Hits-Of-The-80s-And-Beyond\">Greatest Hits Of The 80&#8217;s And Beyond<\/a>&#8220;. Why this one hit for me is probably because I was EXACTLY the right demographic for Tiffany. Well, not off by more than a year or two. The kids one class down from me were probably the stronger core, but I&#8217;ve always been a pop music geek. The Tiffany cover is acoustic piano, not synth (ironically); but it&#8217;s the same song.<\/div>\n<div data-lyrics-container=\"true\">\u00a0<\/div>\n<div data-lyrics-container=\"true\">But if you want something even more neat, take a look at the lyrics:<\/div>\n<div data-lyrics-container=\"true\">\u00a0<\/div>\n<blockquote>\n<div data-lyrics-container=\"true\">\n<div class=\"Lyrics__Container-sc-3d1d18a3-1 bjajog\" data-lyrics-container=\"true\">Let&#8217;s dance in style, let&#8217;s dance for a while<br \/><span class=\"ReferentFragment-desktop__Highlight-sc-380d78dd-1 fIkrDi\">Heaven can wait, we&#8217;re only watching the skies<\/span><br \/><span class=\"ReferentFragment-desktop__Highlight-sc-380d78dd-1 fIkrDi\">Hoping for the best but expecting the worst<\/span><br \/><span class=\"ReferentFragment-desktop__Highlight-sc-380d78dd-1 fIkrDi\">Are you gonna drop the bomb or not?<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span class=\"ReferentFragment-desktop__Highlight-sc-380d78dd-1 fIkrDi\">Let us die young or let us live forever<\/span><br \/><span class=\"ReferentFragment-desktop__Highlight-sc-380d78dd-1 fIkrDi\">We don&#8217;t have the power but we never say never<\/span><br \/><span class=\"ReferentFragment-desktop__Highlight-sc-380d78dd-1 fIkrDi\">Sitting in a sandpit, life is a short trip<\/span><br \/><span class=\"ReferentFragment-desktop__Highlight-sc-380d78dd-1 fIkrDi\">The music&#8217;s for the sad men<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span class=\"ReferentFragment-desktop__Highlight-sc-380d78dd-1 fIkrDi\">Can you imagine when this race is won<\/span><br \/><span class=\"ReferentFragment-desktop__Highlight-sc-380d78dd-1 fIkrDi\">Turn our golden faces into the sun<br \/>Praising our leaders<\/span>,\u00a0<span class=\"ReferentFragment-desktop__Highlight-sc-380d78dd-1 fIkrDi\">we&#8217;re getting in tune<\/span><br \/><span class=\"ReferentFragment-desktop__Highlight-sc-380d78dd-1 fIkrDi\">The music&#8217;s played by the mad men<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span class=\"ReferentFragment-desktop__Highlight-sc-380d78dd-1 fIkrDi\">Forever young, I want to be forever young<br \/>Do you really want to live forever?<\/span><br \/><span class=\"ReferentFragment-desktop__Highlight-sc-380d78dd-1 fIkrDi\">Forever, and ever<\/span><br \/><span class=\"ReferentFragment-desktop__Highlight-sc-380d78dd-1 fIkrDi\">Forever young, I want to be forever young<br \/>Do you really want to live forever?<br \/>Forever young<\/span><\/div>\n<div class=\"RightSidebar__Container-sc-e6620a93-0 gktaHH\">\n<div class=\"LyricsSidebarAd__RecommendationsContainer-sc-87af06e9-0 jtKgCY\">\n<aside class=\"RecommendedSongs__Container-sc-7b317158-0 kcOpLt LyricsSidebarAd__Recommendations-sc-87af06e9-1 hosNVP\">\n<div class=\"MiniChart__Container-sc-b9aa837c-0 eNPUdN\">\u00a0<\/div>\n<\/aside>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"Lyrics__Container-sc-3d1d18a3-1 bjajog\" data-lyrics-container=\"true\"><span class=\"ReferentFragment-desktop__Highlight-sc-380d78dd-1 fIkrDi\">Some are like water, some are like the heat<br \/>Some are a melody and some are the beat<br \/>Sooner or later, they all will be gone<br \/>Why don&#8217;t they stay young?<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span class=\"ReferentFragment-desktop__Highlight-sc-380d78dd-1 fIkrDi\">It&#8217;s so hard to get old without a cause<\/span><br \/><span class=\"ReferentFragment-desktop__Highlight-sc-380d78dd-1 fIkrDi\">I don&#8217;t want to perish like a fading horse<\/span><br \/><span class=\"ReferentFragment-desktop__Highlight-sc-380d78dd-1 fIkrDi\">Youth&#8217;s like diamonds in the sun<\/span><br \/><span class=\"ReferentFragment-desktop__Highlight-sc-380d78dd-1 fIkrDi\">And diamonds are forever<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span class=\"ReferentFragment-desktop__Highlight-sc-380d78dd-1 fIkrDi\">So many adventures couldn&#8217;t happen today<br \/>So many songs we forgot to play<br \/>So many dreams swinging out of the blue<br \/>We let them come true<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span class=\"ReferentFragment-desktop__Highlight-sc-380d78dd-1 fIkrDi\">Forever young, I want to be forever young<br \/>Do you really want to live forever?<br \/>Forever, and ever<br \/>Forever young, I want to be forever young<br \/>Do you really want to live forever?<br \/>Forever, and ever<\/span><\/div>\n<div class=\"RightSidebar__Container-sc-e6620a93-0 gktaHH\">\u00a0<\/div>\n<div class=\"Lyrics__Container-sc-3d1d18a3-1 bjajog\" data-lyrics-container=\"true\">Forever young, I wanna be forever young<br \/>Do you really want to live forever? (Forever)<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/blockquote>\n<div data-lyrics-container=\"true\">Yeah, it&#8217;s a bit on the nose in places. I mean, it&#8217;s German pop from the early 1980&#8217;s; they were super-in tune to the political situation. But as with most of what I&#8217;ve written, it gets BETTER! Here are the original lyrics to the third verse:<\/div>\n<blockquote>\n<div data-lyrics-container=\"true\">\n<dl>\n<dd>Can you imagine how we won the war?<\/dd>\n<dd>Little fascist lady she loves you so<\/dd>\n<dd>Following her leader, she&#8217;s getting in tune<\/dd>\n<dd>The music&#8217;s played by the madmen<\/dd>\n<\/dl>\n<\/div>\n<\/blockquote>\n<p>The producers didn&#8217;t like that one, so like an American adaptation of a Japanese monster movie, the lyrics were nebulized a bit. But to be fair to Germany, especially 40 years ago, the original version was likely getting very close to breaking the law. Beyond that, considering they were planning to release the song in Britain that second line may have been the *most* &#8220;on the nose&#8221; of any of the lyrics. Taken in conjunction with the third line, I can imagine the producers seeing official complaints coming in rather than sales.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\"><iframe loading=\"lazy\" title=\"Alphaville - Forever Young (Official Video HD)\" width=\"500\" height=\"281\" src=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/embed\/YHRvDo8rUoQ?feature=oembed\" frameborder=\"0\" allow=\"accelerometer; autoplay; clipboard-write; encrypted-media; gyroscope; picture-in-picture; web-share\" referrerpolicy=\"strict-origin-when-cross-origin\" allowfullscreen><\/iframe><\/p>\n<p>Good grief, breaking out of that embedding was a nightmare. So, Rod Stewart&#8217;s &#8220;Forever Young&#8221; is a whimsical blessing for good fortune to his young children, and Alphaville&#8217;s release is a Cold War anti-fascist protest song about the destruction of the world through Nuclear War. I feel even more foolish for spending so many years dismissing them as &#8220;the same song, somehow.&#8221; That shows what not listening to the lyrics can do. They&#8217;re both catchy, and both only had one or two lines that stuck with me; not enough to judge either song. I mean, I kinda got the point of Stewart&#8217;s just from the era it was released in&#8230;most of his stuff sounded like that at the time. And again, I will remind the reader that even though I had likely heard Alphaville&#8217;s version, or at least a cover; I didn&#8217;t start paying attention until after 2011, at least. The Tiffany cover struck me almost immediately as &#8220;different, somehow&#8221; but I didn&#8217;t start looking into that difference until years later.<\/p>\n<p>So, you know; *do* that. You never know what you may find.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>More on that in a minute. I decided to try using Opera on Linux instead of Firefox. My motivation is the influence Google has been exerting on Firefox coupled with suspiciously-rapid &#8220;updates&#8221; over the last couple of months or so. 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