{"id":15041,"date":"2012-02-19T05:17:10","date_gmt":"2012-02-19T10:17:10","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.shamusyoung.com\/twentysidedtale\/?p=15041"},"modified":"2018-01-23T01:42:06","modified_gmt":"2018-01-23T06:42:06","slug":"an-evening-of-failure-and-stupidity","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.shamusyoung.com\/twentysidedtale\/?p=15041","title":{"rendered":"An Evening of Failure and Stupidity"},"content":{"rendered":"<div class=\"dmnotes\">Last Thursday I was griefed by many, many stupid people. I don&#8217;t want to spoil the ending too much, but the short version is that by morning I&#8217;d re-installed Windows.  And one of the griefers was me.<\/p>\n<p>The setup for this story: A few months ago, I got a virus.  Not bad, nothing dangerous.  When it was over I was pretty sure I had it all, but &#8220;pretty sure&#8221; wasn&#8217;t good enough.  I needed to be able to trust this machine again, so I re-installed Windows.  I put the new install on the D: drive and left the C: drive alone.  This was also an experiment: <em>How much stuff from C: will I miss or need in the long run?<\/em>  (The answer: Almost nothing.  The only thing I ever bothered to recover from C: was my Minecraft saves. All of my programming, writing, and video projects are either saved on other drives or online.) And so our story begins&#8230;<\/div>\n<p>It&#8217;s Thursday night.  I&#8217;m looking at my C: drive and thinking that it&#8217;s probably about time to format that sucker and reclaim the wasted space.  I mean, it&#8217;s been moths and I&#8217;ve never needed any of it.  I boot off the D: drive now, so it should be safe to just nuke C: and use it for&#8230; I dunno.  I don&#8217;t even have a plan for it.  I&#8217;ve got a pretty good system where I keep the operating system on one drive, my work on another, and games on a third drive.  I don&#8217;t have a plan for C:, but I might as well clean up that old mess, right?<\/p>\n<p>I right-click on C: and hit &#8220;format&#8221;&#8230;  <\/p>\n<p><!--more-->C: is a tiny little thing &#8211; only 250Gb or so.  Despite this, the progress bar takes  forty minutes.  When it&#8217;s done, Windows gives me this stupid, non-informative dialog to the effect of &#8220;The specified operation cannot be performed&#8221; or somesuch. I look, and C: is untouched.  Not a single file deleted. <em>So what was the computer doing for the last two-thirds of an hour?<\/em>  <\/p>\n<p>So, I decide to do a manual format. I just start throwing stuff into the recycle bin.  Sooner or later I&#8217;m probably going to get an error telling me that I can&#8217;t delete such-and-such a file.  I know how Windows is.  Still, if I can rip away everything until I&#8217;m just left with a few forbidden files, I can reboot into DOS and kill those with the terminal. In fact, my wife Heather could burn me an Ubuntu Live CD here, and I could kill the files from a nice GUI environment. <\/p>\n<p>I&#8217;m actually surprised at how much Windows will let me kill.  I blow away all of the hidden and system files in the root directory without so much as a raised eyebrow from the operating system. It finally chokes on some file with an unprintable name.  That&#8217;s either a leftover from the virus, or (more likely) just a corrupted file. I reboot to finish the job.<\/p>\n<p>I forget to boot into Ubuntu, but it doesn&#8217;t matter.  The Windows boot fails.  Now, keep in mind that my operating system is on D:, and not the recently cleansed C:, but it&#8217;s stopped working anyway.  It says it can&#8217;t find NTLDR, which means that&#8230;<\/p>\n<p>Oh.<\/p>\n<p>I am an idiot. <\/p>\n<p>Okay, I could fault Microsoft for some stupidity here.  Windows has this obnoxious habit of locking and protecting all kinds of files it doesn&#8217;t want or need, even though it let me kill NTLDR without so much as a warning.  But it doesn&#8217;t matter, because I should have known better.  In fact, I did know better. Or at least, I used to. <\/p>\n<p>I totally forgot that even when a computer boots from D:, it boots from C:, at least a little bit.  NTLDR (&#8220;NT Loader&#8221;, a leftover from the days of Windows NT I&#8217;m sure) is a small little file that gets loaded at startup and sends the computer over to D: to look for the operating system.  At some point in the past I understood this, but I forgot all about it until just now when I blew it away.  Idiot!<\/p>\n<p>Sigh. How could I forget such a thing? <\/p>\n<p>Okay. No big deal. I just need to re-install Windows. I&#8217;ve got the Windows XP disk right here.  In fact, I have a lot of them from long-retired computers.  I can take my pick.  (And please, do not hassle me because XP is &#8220;so old&#8221;.  SOMEDAY I&#8217;ll get a new computer, and it will come with Windows 7, and that will be when I make the switch. That&#8217;s the most cost-effective method of doing things.  I am not the sort of person to drop $100 just because there&#8217;s a new operating system with shinier toolbars out there. I am having a hard time imagining ANYTHING that windows 7 could offer that would be worth $100 to me.)<\/p>\n<p>I get out the binder where we keep the XP disks and I grab one off the top.  Looks like XP Home.  Whatever.  I&#8217;ve used both XP Professional and XP Home and I can&#8217;t remember any significant differences. <\/p>\n<p>This installer sits there for two minutes, then fails with some sort of moronic non-informative &#8220;Can&#8217;t continue installation&#8221;  error.  Fine.  I&#8217;ve got plenty of arrows left in my quiver here. I have another XP Home disk in the pile, and it might be a newer service pack.  I try it.<\/p>\n<p>The installer sits there for two minutes and then reboots.  No explanation.  I actually mistake this for progress.  I see the machine reboot and I assume it&#8217;s just moving on to the next phase of installation, like Windows operating systems tend to do.  I make a couple of trips through this meaningless reboot before I&#8217;m sure this is a waste of time.  <\/p>\n<p>Ok, I&#8217;ve got an XP Professional disc here. Let&#8217;s try that:<\/p>\n<p>Once again, the installer runs for two minutes. (What is it with these two minute waits?  I can boot Ubuntu into a GUI environment in less time.  From a DVD.  WHAT ARE YOU DOING IN A QUASI-DOS WINDOW FOR TWO MINUTES?!?!)  Then it blue screens with an error saying I need to update my drivers.  <em>Dude, I&#8217;m installing XP from a DVD to a blank hard drive.  Where would you suggest I put new drivers? And while we&#8217;re at it: <\/em><em>DRIVERS FOR WHAT?!??!<\/em>  How can I get new drivers for anything when you don&#8217;t even tell me what KIND of device you&#8217;re talking about? Just&#8230; what? <\/p>\n<p>Maybe there&#8217;s something left on the C: drive that&#8217;s making these installers puke?  I don&#8217;t see how.  In fact, I think they die before They get to the step of looking around the computer, but just for the sake of completeness I should wipe the C: clean with a proper format. Heather burns me an Ubuntu 11.0 CD.  It boots up just fine, except the mouse cursor is invisible.  I actually think it&#8217;s locked up at first, but after waving the mouse around I can see I&#8217;m highlighting stuff on the screen. I fumble around using the keyboard and manage to find the format &#038; partitioning tools.  However, it&#8217;s not letting me relate the hard drives to the labels.  It&#8217;s calling each hard drive something like &#8220;\/sda1&#8221;, &#8220;\/sda2&#8221; and so on.  I&#8217;m PRETTY sure that C: should simply be the first one listed, but I&#8217;m not in a gambling mood.  <\/p>\n<p>(I don&#8217;t know it yet, but I just dodged a bullet.  Ubuntu wasn&#8217;t listing my first HD, which would have been &#8220;\/sda0&#8221;.  So I would have been nuking one of the good drives.)<\/p>\n<p>Heather then burns me an Ubuntu 10.4 CD.  I reboot with that and it seems to behave itself.  I have a mouse cursor and it lists the hard drives properly. I kill the C: drive with a good formatting.  Then I pull out my last XP Professional disc. This one looks like Service Pack 3.  This had better work&#8230;<\/p>\n<p>This installation gets further than the other ones. I move through the first few steps by pushing keys (this is still a quasi-DOS window, no mouse cursor) and I can see it loading a crapload of stuff.  Stuff like &#8220;Human interface layer&#8221;.  Finally I get to a prompt telling me to hit ENTER to begin the install, for real. I do, butit seems to have locked up.  I press keys, and nothing happens.   I try a few more times, but I don&#8217;t get anywhere.  <\/p>\n<p>Heather jumps online and does a search. She discovers that the computer is not actually locked up.  It&#8217;s just given up using my USB keyboard. <\/p>\n<p>There are no words to describe how stupid this is.  The installer spends two minutes loading &#8220;Human Interface Layer&#8221;, &#8220;USB interface controllers&#8221;, and &#8220;Keyboard something-or-other&#8221;. The keyboard works just fine for the first few steps, and then the installer refuses any more contact with the USB keyboard.  <\/p>\n<p>By some miracle, we still have a PS\/2 keyboard lying around. I plug it in, press ENTER, and unplug it again.<\/p>\n<p>Once Windows XP is up and running I discover the usual: It needs drivers. The graphics, network, and sound systems are all missing.  Heather downloads the drivers, burns them to a CD, and I install them.  <\/p>\n<p>Okay then.  This was a miserable experience. That was three hours I could have spent some other way.  However, I do enjoy having a nice, clean operating system.  XP gets a little slow to start after 5 months or so.  I&#8217;ve never figured out why.  <\/p>\n<p>Hmmm.<\/p>\n<p>You know, maybe I&#8217;m tempting fate here, but I want to install Ubuntu.  I want to set up a dual-boot and try it out, just because. <\/p>\n<p>The install takes less than 15 minutes. Maybe less than five.  I dunno.  I kick it off, go to get some tea, and when I come back it&#8217;s all booted up and ready to go.  The network and sound systems work without me needing to look for any drivers at all.  It&#8217;s kind of magical.  <\/p>\n<p>I can&#8217;t migrate entirely to Ubuntu.  Too much of my work is Windows-based, and gaming in Linux is about as popular as bobsledding in Egypt. But Ubuntu is shockingly fast and responsive.  (You know how Windows need to &#8220;think&#8221; for about five seconds before it will delete even the most trivial file?  You know how it takes Windows a minute to boot, and then ANOTHER minute to stop thrashing around so you can use the machine? Ubuntu does not have these issues.) <\/p>\n<p>Still this has been a very educational and idiotic evening. <\/p>\n<p>UPDATE: Amazing. Even though I VERY EXPLICITLY said not to give me a hard time about using win XP, and about a dozen people have done so anyway. I&#39;m going to make this as clear as I can: <em>If you want me to run Windows 7 so bad, the donate button is on the right.<\/em> Otherwise, you have nothing to say to me on the matter.<\/p>\n<p>UPDATE II: Okay. Cancel that.  Someone did, so now I&#8217;m getting Windows 7.  Man, I should have screwed up my operating system ages ago!  Thank you to the generous benefactor. If we&#8217;re very lucky, we won&#8217;t have another post like this in a few days.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Last Thursday I was griefed by many, many stupid people. I don&#8217;t want to spoil the ending too much, but the short version is that by morning I&#8217;d re-installed Windows. And one of the griefers was me. The setup for this story: A few months ago, I got a virus. Not bad, nothing dangerous. 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