{"id":1354,"date":"2007-10-06T07:19:54","date_gmt":"2007-10-06T12:19:54","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.shamusyoung.com\/twentysidedtale\/?p=1354"},"modified":"2007-10-06T11:21:35","modified_gmt":"2007-10-06T16:21:35","slug":"chainmail-bikini-link-roundup","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.shamusyoung.com\/twentysidedtale\/?p=1354","title":{"rendered":"Chainmail Bikini: Link Roundup"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>A followup to the <a href=\"?p=1350\">earlier post<\/a> on Chainmail Bikini:<\/p>\n<p>A lengthy and thoughtful post over at <a href=\"http:\/\/nocookiesforme.blogspot.com\/2007\/10\/sexism-in-games-craziness.html\">no cookies for me<\/a>.  In the post Roy states, &#8220;But now, Shamus seems quite opposed to the idea that something like a webcomic can encourage a sexist view of women or that it could, in some way, endorse rape.&#8221;  I wouldn&#8217;t say that.  It would be more accurate to say that I just didn&#8217;t think our comic was anywhere near doing such a thing.  <\/p>\n<p>Cineris takes issue with the detractors in <a href=\"http:\/\/www.cineris.org\/blog\/2007\/10\/03\/tunnels-and-trolls\/\">a vigorous post over at Augary<\/a>.<\/p>\n<p>Mark adds his own thoughts, and <a href=\"http:\/\/kaedrin.com\/weblog\/archive\/001311.html\">expands on the idea to talk about &#8220;probing&#8221; in games<\/a>.  He talks about other freeform games where the player does something not because they think it&#8217;s a good idea, but simply because they want to see how the game will react.  You can decide for yourself if that&#8217;s applicable to the comic, but it&#8217;s a very common drive in players for both tabletop and computer-driven games and an interesting take on this sort of behavior.<\/p>\n<p>Longtime DMotR reader <a href=\"http:\/\/redcoast.livejournal.com\/\">Rebecca<\/a> has <a href=\"http:\/\/redcoast.livejournal.com\/99376.html\">no love for the comic<\/a> in general.  The same thing coming from a random internet person wouldn&#8217;t bother me, but coming from someone who&#8217;s been around and had many interesting things to say in the past, it kind of stings.  Still, I&#8217;m glad she cared enough to lay her thoughts out like that and I appreciate how careful she was to avoid going after me personally.  <\/p>\n<p>ChattyDM has his own thoughts, and <a href=\"http:\/\/chattydm.blogspot.com\/2007\/10\/closed-for-audit-purposes.html\">talks about behavior issues at the table<\/a> when dealing with an all-man lineup.<\/p>\n<p>I don&#8217;t really want to open up the whole debate again, but I thought it was important to point to some other people who have taken the time to comment on it.  All of the posts I linked are carefully written and thoughtful.  These aren&#8217;t just people cheerleading or flaming. I&#8217;m leaving comments closed.  I don&#8217;t think the thread can go anywhere good.  If you have a post on this elsewhere that I&#8217;ve missed, send me an email (shamus at shamusyoung dot com) and I&#8217;ll link it here.<\/p>\n<p>One final thought is that Chainmail Bikini has <a href=\"http:\/\/www.feartheboot.com\/comic\/default.aspx?c=23\">moved on to other subjects<\/a>, which is probably more familiar territory for DMotR readers.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>A followup to the earlier post on Chainmail Bikini: A lengthy and thoughtful post over at no cookies for me. 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