{"id":1320,"date":"2007-09-12T21:04:04","date_gmt":"2007-09-13T02:04:04","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.shamusyoung.com\/twentysidedtale\/?p=1320"},"modified":"2007-09-13T18:17:11","modified_gmt":"2007-09-13T23:17:11","slug":"astade","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.shamusyoung.com\/twentysidedtale\/?p=1320","title":{"rendered":"&#8220;Astade&#8221;"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>Change of pace:<\/p>\n<p>My wife sometimes does research work for an antiques appraiser.  When I saw how the business worked I was sort of surprised.  I thought appraisers just, you know, <em>knew<\/em> everything about old stuff and how much it&#8217;s worth.  It turns out that this is not the case, and often the job is more than half detective work.<\/p>\n<p>My wife <a href=\"http:\/\/www.gracedbychrist.com\/?p=1183#more-1183\">is stuck on one now<\/a>.  It&#8217;s a toughie.  The client has a painting they believe to have been produced by &#8220;Astade, the teacher of Rembrandt.&#8221;   The first problem is that history records no such person.  More importantly, I don&#8217;t think that&#8217;s what the signature says.  Take a look:<\/p>\n<p><table   class=\"\" cellpadding='0' cellspacing='0' border='0' align='center'><tr><td><img src='http:\/\/www.gracedbychrist.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2007\/09\/signature.jpg' class='insetimage'   alt='http:\/\/www.gracedbychrist.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2007\/09\/signature.jpg' title='http:\/\/www.gracedbychrist.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2007\/09\/signature.jpg'\/><\/td><\/tr><\/table><\/p>\n<p><!--more-->Keeping in mind that if the client is right, then this is a signature from someone in Holland in the sixteenth century.  So, we&#8217;re dealing with a proper name. Sloppily wirtten. In another language. Over four hundred years ago.  <\/p>\n<p>Everyone is pretty comfortable with the idea that the first letter is &#8220;A&#8221;, and the last three are &#8220;ade&#8221;.  But aside from that, we can&#8217;t be sure of much.  That upward trailing line on the &#8220;A&#8221; may or may not be another letter.  Next is what looks like an &#8220;o&#8221;.  Next is a tall vertical line, which could be several different things.  (In that time period the lowercase English &#8220;s&#8221; looked like a very tall curly &#8220;f&#8221;.  Early documents from the founding of the US look like they say &#8220;The Prefident of the United Statef&#8221; to modern eyes.)  After that is a &#8220;c&#8221; shape, although it&#8217;s very square and not likely to be a &#8220;c&#8221; unless the painter was going for that &#8220;OCR font&#8221; style.  It could indeed be a &#8220;t&#8221; as the client seems to think.  So, the signature could be &#8220;A<em>?<\/em>ostade&#8221;, but it can&#8217;t be &#8220;Astade&#8221;.<\/p>\n<p>There are some places online where you can search databases of known signatures. Those are quite helpful (if a little pricey) but they don&#8217;t have a wildcard search, which is what she needed.  (Something like &#8220;A*ade&#8221;.)  Seems like a pretty obvious feature for an application like this.  But then, the most obvious feature is always the one you need right now.<\/p>\n<p>Sadly, the odds of this being produced by a &#8220;teacher of Rembrandt&#8221; are low.  This is about the worst thing you can be asked to do as an appraiser, to let someone know that what they have is far <em>less<\/em> valuable than what they thought.  Ideally, you want to let them know that that their dusty old things are long lost treasures.  &#8220;Actually, this is Da Vinci&#8217;s wastepaper basket! It&#8217;s priceless!&#8221;   During your worst day as an appraiser you&#8217;ll end up telling your client, &#8220;Actually, this was painted by <em>Harold<\/em> Van Gogh in Chicago in 1931.  The guy made a million others just like it trying to feed his family during the great depression. It&#8217;s worth about twenty bucks.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>Still, it&#8217;s an interesting puzzle.  I am curious to see if she&#8217;ll find out who made the painting, and when.  You can read a bit more over at <a href=\"http:\/\/www.gracedbychrist.com\/?p=1183#more-1183\">Heather&#8217;s site<\/a>.<\/p>\n<p>UPDATE: An hour after I posted this I came back and found someone in the comments had found the artist.  A few posts later some other people offered even more evidence, and by the next morning we&#8217;d identified the artist, the name of the image (produced from an etching) and a bunch of other great info.  Thanks so much to everyone who chimed in.  What an interesting exercise.<\/p>\n<p>I love the internet. It&#8217;s my favorite, uh&#8230; place.<\/p>\n<p>UPDATED UPDATE: As to the question of how much it&#8217;s worth&#8230;  I never found that out, and I imagine the exact figure is private, but based on what was said I would say we&#8217;re talking under ten thousand.  One site suggested $3k for a picture produced from an etching in this time period, but the condition of the piece and the artist&#8217;s proximity to Rembrandt might impact that a bit.  Still, we&#8217;re not talking about a million dollar painting here.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Change of pace: My wife sometimes does research work for an antiques appraiser. When I saw how the business worked I was sort of surprised. I thought appraisers just, you know, knew everything about old stuff and how much it&#8217;s worth. 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