Crispy Gamer has a review on Resident Evil 5 that’s making the rounds. It’s mostly a review on the percieved racism in the game, and only tangentially about the game itself. Scott Jones comes right out and calls the game racist, and I’m foolishly rising to the flamebait by responding to him.
If you’ve missed the story: The game takes place in Africa. Being a Resident Evil game, it’s about fighting “zombies”. (Not really zombies this time around, but zombies by another name.) Being set in Africa, most of the zombies are infected from the local population. (i.e. Not white people.) This is a Japanese game. We’ve have several titles in this series where we gunned down noting but lily-white Americans, and RE4 where we gunned down some slightly swarthy Spaniards. None of this raised any red flags for players.
So Japanese writing about white people killing white zombies was fine, but Japanese people writing about a mixed-race team of people killing African zombies is racist?
Read the whole thing for full context. I’m just going to cherry-pick a few comments.
This sounds like an ad hominem: If you don’t have a problem with the game then you are ignorant of the history of racism.
The African zombies, in contrast, look underfed and hollow-eyed. Their lips are puffed and cracked; their bloodshot eyes practically bug out from their skulls. The physical contrast between the game’s heroes and villains — light skin versus dark skin (even Sheva, who’s African, is light-skinned); civilized versus savage — makes cutting down hordes of the infected with a submachine gun a complicated and troubling act.
The fact that zombies are emaciated and disturbing is the entire point. How does this make it racist? Would it be less racist if the zombies were… healthy? If they didn’t look like zombies? What could the designers have done here? If they’d not made the zombies look like zombies, Scott could have just come at them from the other direction: What does it say that the white people in previous games are all dehumanized through discoloration and decay, but the Africans in Resident Evil 5 look just like regular Africans? Is the game saying that these people are already sub-humans?
Would it still be “racist” if the game were set in Europe, and they came at you with longbows or pikemen? What about games where white people fight with primitive weapons? Because, that’s 90% of American RPGs, right there.
What about the previous game where the Spaniards (or whatever they were) carried pitchforks? Why is a spear and a grass skirt offensive, but overalls and pitchforks not?
Imagine that. A Japanese writer wasn’t able to intuit how his writing would be received by large white liberal men in America.
I have no idea if anything I’ve written is offensive to short blond English Tories, or left-handed Australians with freckles who voted ALP in the last election. Perhaps I’m a racist.
I can’t believe I’m defending the writers at Capcom. I doubt I’ve ever seen anything they’ve written that I didn’t regard with contempt. But I don’t think it’s possible to write in such a way that your words won’t offend someone, somewhere.
I can only imagine the result if every story had to be carefully written and filtered by a multi-ethnic committee so as to not accidentally offend people of “different ethnicities, different tax brackets, different levels of education, different points of view”. It would not improve the world of fiction.
Zombies are usually “generic people”, but when all of them are of a different race, it might make them feel a little less generic. Zombies are supposed to make you a little uncomfortable because they inhabit the uncanny valley and are recognizable as both monsters and people. Perversely, the distaste Scott is feeling is something you’re supposed to feel when you’re killing zombies. We’ve been desensitized to gunning down white zombies in suburban shopping malls, and when a change of context restores that lost empathy for the victims the resulting revulsion is mistaken for some sort of malice on the part of the designer.
I don’t object that Scott Jones is uncomfortable with the imagery in RE5. If I ever end up playing the game I might have the same reaction. (But I’m sure I’ll be offended by the awful writing long before I reach the shooting zombies portion of the game.) Maybe after an hour of gunning down dark-skinned people I’ll feel the same sense of horror that he does.
I was sickened by the gunning down of kids in Prey. I can understand when a game crosses a line for you. But the goal of tolerance – if that word is to have any meaning at all – should be to tolerate it when we bump up against people with differing world views. This is the very opposite of what Scott is proposing here, which is to demand that other people know our culture before they have the audacity to speak to us, and to take deliberate offense when they mess up. Meticulously sorting and labeling people by ethnicities, income, and education level is probably a bad idea as well if your goal is for people to get along with each other.
I don’t think the writers at Capcom are Racist any more than I think the writers at 3D Realms want to kill kids. I have no problem with him not wanting to gun down mobs of Africans if it strikes him as disturbing. But hanging the label of racist on Capcom is absurd.
And finally, I’ll end with something Susan Arendt wrote a year and a half ago, when tackling the same subject:
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Right on shamus! i think a main problem of these debates is that people become so uncomfortable when the issue of race even enters their peripheral vison they tend to overreact. Spanish is not a race you could identify in a lineup, while African is. What this guy also needs to consider is the context that the killing of these African zombies is happening in. It would be one thing if you were landing in a totally normal African village with your assault rifles and just kiling everyone who looked at you funny. But these guys are in a kill or be killed situation, and probably would feel remorse if Capcom could write charecters with emotions as complew as that.
Everything is racist these days, and it’s making nothing racist. Ironically, the outcry that sees racism in everything is making it far easier for people to get away with actual racism.
The fact of the matter is, outside of certain regions of the South, there really isn’t a lot of racism in this country. There is, on the other hand, a lot of classism; poor folks are looked down upon (a universal truth of humanity, this one.)
The only reason it seems racist is that, built upon the back of centuries of disadvantage, Blacks in America are disproportionally poor. The solution to this, however, is not to continue decrying racism and finding solutions to enforce racial equality, but instead to enact policies that benefit all poor – which, by extension, will “disproportionally” help Blacks, thus giving them the aid they need to get on more equal footing while simultaneously removing the spotlight from a perceived difference that “disadvantages” them.
People – especially us big white guys with liberal leanings – really need to stop trying to find “racism” in everything. It only fosters and abets racism.
“If you've missed the story: The game takes place in Africa.”
I think the real problem is the fact that in the first RE games all the zombies were Africans. Oh wait, they weren’t? They were the ethnicity of the people you would see in those locations? Hmmm… That would make… sense…
If there was a real controversy, it would have happened earlier in the series.
The real problem is that too many people have been conditioned to think that certain kinds of things are racist when applied to a particular ethnicity and not racist when applied to other ethnicities. If people would just frakking apply what Martin Luther King Jr. was saying back in the 60s (e.g. let’s not pay attention to peoples’ ethnicities AT ALL no matter who they are), they’d realize that RE5 is not racist just because it has African zombies.
In fact, African zombies in RE5 goes to show that RE5 is reaching out in a spirit of broad cultural understanding by showing that people from all nations and cultures can become zombies, not just caucasians. Generally speaking African zombies are an under-represented minority in videogames. When’s the last time you saw an African zombie in a game?
Racism is the art of taking offense when none is intended, or giving offense when it’s not warranted. If we’re ever to realize the dream of a “colorblind” society, both those who take offense and those who give offense need to grow up and stop seeing things along racial lines.
The RE5 kerfluffle is just another place for people to play victim and get some attention. Those who embrace their victimhood are propagating racism just as much as someone who tries to cause trouble.
Tongue in cheek, aren’t zombies more or less rooted in the voudou religion? That has some African roots, if memory serves. Why isn’t there a fuss over other cultures appropriating and warping their views? Have zombies been whitewashed to sanitize (PC-ize) their use?
But I don't think it's possible to write in such a way that your words won't offend someone, somewhere.
This offends me.
Racist? Really? Are stupid people a race? If they are, then I’m a racist. Some people really should think before they express their opinions. If the game had you rounding up hoards of African zombies and enslaving them, torturing them, selling them, etc., then I would label it as an act of racism. But to kill African zombies in Africa is not racism. Would killing Martians on Mars be racism?
I’ll throw in my PC idea for RE6: The game takes place in Blobonia. The tower of Bloble has been infested by zombie blobs. Everyone is a gray bloby thing. The bad blobs look exactly like the good blobs.
But I’m sure someone would complain because this blob is grayier and blobier than that blob.
“If we're ever to realize the dream of a “colorblind” society, both those who take offense and those who give offense need to grow up and stop seeing things along racial lines.”
Hear, hear! The problem is that Colorblindness is not Politically Correct. “Cultural sensitivity” is the antithesis of Colorblindness.
“Tongue in cheek, aren't zombies more or less rooted in the voudou religion? That has some African roots, if memory serves.”
I think it’s actually a Caribbean thing. There are people in real life who claim to be zombies brought back by voodoo (ore however you spell it). They’re black. Are they being racist?
I can never decide whether it is worth the effort to try and reason with the PC crowd, or whether it is best to not even dignify them with a response. They obviously haven’t reasoned this thing through so far, why would they start?
Edit: Ok, thats pretty bitter, but I can’t help but wonder it when I see these sorts of controversies pop up.
All i read was the tittle of the article but having been here before i know what your argument will be “its not racists”
(i did check to see your conclusion about this fiasco)
and i agree I think it is racist to insinuate that black people cant be zombies! they are just as human as the rest of us and just as susceptible to zombification!
The grass skirts and spears don’t reflect well on the designers. Doesn’t it suggest that they believe some normal West Africans live this way?
And I don’t get Shamus’s European comparison. If all the modern British zombies in 28 Days Later were using pikes, you’d wonder where the hell all the pikes came from and what the writers were thinking. These Kijuju zombies are supposed have once been modern West Africans, no?
What irritates me the most about this claptrap is that the entire outcry of “racism” is based on the racism of the writer. As others have already commented, all zombies are created equal. By insisting on special exemptions for certain races from zombiehood, the writer is perpetuating the very racism he accuses the game of portraying.
Game doesn’t sound offensive, in context. If anything, by adding a black character, it seems like they were making token effort to avoid accusations of racism (despite the lighter=good, darker=bad thing, which is an issue).
OTOH, 2, 4, and 8 are pretty offensive, and 7 & 3 are kinda out of date (color blindness is really 70’s, but not so 00’s, where someone’s race/background is part of their cultural identity and somewhat offensive to ignore–“I don’t think of you as Indian” reads, not entirely unreasonably, as “you’re not like -those- indians”).
All these controversies of racism in RE5 and no one mentions the alternate costumes for Sheva? The least the Morals Policeâ„¢ can do is be consistent.
Shamus said, “We've been desensitized to gunning down white zombies in suburban shopping malls, and when a change of context restores that lost empathy for the victims the resulting revulsion is mistaken for some sort of malice on the part of the designer.” That struck me as being profoundly insightful and succinctly identifies the core of the problem, stripped of all PC rhetoric. Well done, sir!
I haven’t played the game but a personal pet peeve of mine is how most Americans think of Africa as one giant country. It is a continent with a greater contrast in cultures than exists in Europe.
Saying that a zombie game set in Africa is racist because it depicts the zombies with dark skin, is stupid. However, it is fair to point out the sub-conscious racism in depicting west africans wearing bone necklaces and grass skirts. I agree with Tim that people would have found it bizarre if English zombies were walking around with pikes. West Africa has many many many problems but the vast majority of the population is not wearing grass skirts and using spears (unless of course they are entertaining tourists). A far more realistic depiction would be if they were wearing 15 to 20 year out of date American t-shirts.
On the grass skirts thing:
The demo shows the zombies dressed just as Strangeite suggested: Out-of-date western clothing. So the spears & skirts stuff is probably just a section of the game, added for variety.
But the grass skirt thing is still around. I’ve viewed many slideshows from missionaries in various parts of the dark continent, (I have both acquaintances and relatives who have lived in various parts of Africa for years in that capacity) and there are places where people still dress that way. I don’t know how often (I believe it’s ceremonial, not a daily thing) but their low-tech culture is mixed with their modern culture in strange (to us) ways, perhaps because of because of the abruptness of the transition. It’s not uncommon to see missionaries join them in dressing up like this. I wish I had some pics handy, I’d post them. It really is a beautiful and amazing thing.
Another example is the anthropological movie on YouTube, where you can see Mike Wesch dressing up in that way:
@mneme – Really? You are nitpicking the responses of others as being offensive? Specifically, how did #8 offend you?
I am kind of tired out by the thin skinned nature of people. I have no doubt that these whiners always existed, but it seems like more and more feel comfortable airing their minor offenses in the court of public opinion, where the offender is often tried and executed by people who have *no idea* what the source of the issue was about.
This is the perfect example. People with no knowledge of this game in particular or videogaming as a whole (with the first four RE games included in that) will be jumping on some kind of boycott bandwagon, and making a huge issue out of nothing at all.
In all seriousness, since mneme seems to be one of these, maybe he can offer a lucid explanation?
How are our comments offensive? I think we need a bit of context to understand where you’re coming from here; at least I do.
It is an unfortunate fact that Blacks are disproportionally poor in the US. How is pointing that out offensive?
Tis a dark day for us all when words such as these need be uttered. I still haven’t quite recovered from the stupidity that was RE4’s storyline.
This reminds me a lot of the South Park episode where they were debating the town flag. If you don’t know, the flag showed a bunch of white people hanging a black person, and there was a “history vs. racism” argument. The children were to hold a debate on whether to change the flag, and the “don’t change it” side argued that it shouldn’t be changed because violence was natural and part of our heritage. When Chef stood up and pointed out the racism, the boys were surprised; all they saw was an act of violence by four people against one person.
It reminds me of that because I really think RE5 is going to seem racist if you want it to be. When you’re playing, do you see yourself as a soldier gunning down zombies, or do you see yourself as a white soldier gunning down black zombies? Even so, you have to answer why the latter would be a problem. If the answer involves the words, “historically” or “symbolic,” then you are making a mountain out of a molehill.
Note on Scott Jones: Not Black. He’s the big white dude with liberal leanings, the most thin-skinned of thin skins.
This whole issue reminds of a while back when some NFL teams were accused of being racist for using Native American (Amerindian?) imagery for mascots. Apparently nobody did their homework, as local tribes turned to often have close connections to these teams and approved of their usage, thus leaving certain liberals in the awkward position of trying to tell their ethnic neighbors how to think.
Shamus, you are right that grass skirts and spears are still used and you are also correct that they are most ceremonial.
I agree with most of the commentors that people’s skins are too thin; but, it is fair to point out the absurdity if most of the zombies in the game are wearing outfits that play into people’s sterotypes.
I live in Kentucky and my family puts on a very large bluegrass music festival. I have a picture taken last year of a guy wearing overalls, no shirt, barefoot and carrying a Mason jar full of moonshine. Taken out of context this picture plays into most people’s sterotypes of Kentucky and they wouldn’t realize that this man holds a PhD in Sociology and is a member of a United Nations committee on cultural awareness. Do Kentuckians dress this way? Yes, occasionally. Is this a fair representation of the dress of Kentuckians? No.
As I said, I haven’t played the game, but if the African zombies are predominately pictured wearing bone jewlery, grass skirts and carrying spears, I believe it is reasonable to suggest that the game is reinforcing pre-existing sterotypes.
Just my two cents.
Well said, Shamus. Thanks.
The human race never fails to confirm my opinion of them. ;)
I do wonder about the grass skirt bits – I know that there are still people in Africa that dress that way from time to time. I don’t know that, as a designer of a game that you had to know would get called out as racist, I would have used them. Even if the story is that the outbreak is localized to some indigeous tribe that Umbrella used “because no one cares about them” or some such, I might have held back. But I haven’t seen it, so I dunno.
Racism is such a fun topic. I do agree *some* with mneme in that we’re sort of past the idea of a colorblind society, and in to one that accepts that people have different heritages, which make them who they are, but that there is no value judgement implicit there. That being said, if the worst you can say about someone is that they are treating you as a person, not as a person with a unique heritage, I think we’re good.
And the idea that, some how, a person (is she African?) with lighter, but still dark, skin is different is a bit crazy.
As a white liberal, I know how it goes. As a white liberal who now lives in Wisconsin (where they have all kinds of races – german, czech, norwegian, polish, (someone said that to me when I was interviewing here, not to be mean, or denigrate non-caucausians, but just because they just don’t see other races much)), I know that it’s hard not to feel guilt and shame every time you encounter someone who has, at some point in the past, been mistreated by white people. But you know what? Ain’t no race in the world (including caucausian) that hasn’t been mistreated by white people at some point.
I’m reminded of an Onion article that came out shortly after Obama’s election: “Nation’s Blacks Creeped Out By All The People Smiling At Them” or something similar.
Also, Re: Americans think Africa is all one country: It’s okay. We think the same thing about Europe (except for those stupid french people), Asia, Australia, and Antartica. Really, you’re American, or you’re someone else. And being from Texas, I know that it’s Texas, Mexico, South Canada in NA.
The games writing plays out very much like an action movies really, I didnt find the voice acting particularly terrible, theres no “master of unlocking” moments. Its cheesy action style voice acting, and personally I found the ending plenty satisfying, admittedly I watched someone ELSE play the game, as I dont have a PS3 of my own.
I personally think the big problem is they made the zombies a little TOO lifelike, people are used to the crazed semi-brainless zombies, these ones use guns and cover and grenades, which makes it feel less like your fighting zombies and more like actual people. Not that it does these parts BADLY, the tone of the “zombies” is just generally different than the shambling undead we all know and love.
The racial issue with Resident Evil 5 is not that the game is racist, but that the game uses racist imagery. Disclaimer: I have not played the game. I’ve only seen videos.
The zombies as portrayed in the game bear a striking resemblance to that of the brute, a common racist stereotype of black folks: http://youarelose.blogspot.com/2008/04/resident-evil-5-dangers-of-stereotyping.html
By playing directly to this stereotype, the creators of the game have tapped into a lot of dark and nasty hidden prejudices. Black people are said to be savage, vicious, brutish folks. When they’re infected with the zombie juice, they become crafty cannibals who must be put down. Note that they don’t seem to become dumb, lumbering zombies; this is probably part of the RE mythos, but it’s still troublesome.
The worrying thing here is that the creators chose to make a game that looks like the suppression of a slave rebellion. One has no excuse to be ignorant of these issues of racist imagery in this age, but the creators chose to go ahead with it. They chose to set the game in dusty shantytowns. They chose to have toothy, bugeyed black folks growl savagely and wield primitive weapons. They chose to have the protagonist be white and technologically superior.
Does this make the creators racist? No. Does it mean people shouldn’t play it or have fun with it? No. But it is an embrace of an old, awful stereotype. If I wrote a book about a lazy, shiftless black woman who uses her kids to leech off of welfare, or made a movie where the villain was a black guy who raped white women, I’d be guilty of the same tactless disingenuity as the RE5 creators.
It might be a good game, but the racist imagery is there. And it’s not cool to sit in a place of privilege complaining about how all those people get offended too easily and turn everything into a race issue. Racism is alive in America and in the world. Black folks still get bad service in restaurants in Indiana and Atlanta and Seattle. Black thug characters still outnumber black professionals in movies a hundred to one. Racism is a big issue, and pretending to be colorblind won’t make it go away.
Gregory Weir: Funny you mentioned Seattle. I have a good friend that is black and moved to Seattle about six months ago. He says he feels far more sub-conscious unease by people in Seattle than he ever did living in Kentucky. I told him that is probably not his skin color but the fact that he has a Kentucky accent and wears a UK hat everywhere. People love to hate on the Wildcats.
in RE6 we’ll be shooting jewish zombies in SE of mediterranean and next morning israel nukes Japan…
I must say I’m quite offended by this review… but not for the whole racism issue… Everyone I know thinks I’m Caucasian, but in truth I’m actually Palestinian, just with really light skin. So I’ve been constantly told that I can’t take part in debates of race because I’m “white.” Judging someone by the color of their skin… that’s not racist at all [/sarcasm]
Anyway, I found this guys review to be quite offensive, because from the look of the website, it seems as if he is supposed to be presenting a review of the game. He is not. He is simply complaining about the game (spending the first 2 pages and not even talking about gameplay or story (outside racism) is a sure sign of a bad reviewer…). Resident Evil has never been my kind of game. I don’t like the “tank” like controls for the character, so I’ve never really gotten into the series. But I realized that none of the review told me what I’d actually look for in a game. “Will I have fun?” All he did was complain like some whiny emo kid… When you are actually presenting yourself as a guide to buying a product, you should not be allowed to be so pigheaded.
Also noted Scott’s second favorite game of all time is “Dead Rising.” Aparently he has no trouble killing hoards of suburbanites, since that’s not picking a location, and turning all of that class into zombies for the slaughter…
Sorry for the rant… but people should really get over their own racism/classism before attacking on someone else.
I live in a state where whites are not the majority (and I suspect, in the upcoming census, we won’t even be the largest ethnic group, either.) That does a lot to colour one’s thoughts on racism; every other person I see around here is brown, so brown becomes just another skin colour, and not anything particularly special. We’re all a little Hispanic in New Mexico, regardless of skin colour.
I come from a long line of Northerners, dating back to before their was a United States. My ancestors didn’t own slaves; my ancestors were abolitionists and those that sought to give equal protection under the law to all people at the formation of this country. My heritage is white, but it is not a heritage of oppression and slavery (with regards to Blacks. Native Americans are free to make me feel guilty; we did that, our bad.)
So why, exactly, do I have to feel guilty over these stereotypes that, frankly, have as much to do with poverty as they do with race?
The whole thing strikes me as a Tempest in a Teakettle.
I agree with Shamus, you can handwave the traditional garb by assuming they had it around for ceremonies, or for entertaining tourists. Or evil bio-weapons manufacturers.
If British zombies showed up with pikes, I’d assume they’d broken into some re-enacter’s garage. There are all sorts of re-enacters and LARPers here in the USA, you get Civil War, Renfaires, the SCA, etc.
I’d always assumed that the medieval re-enactments were even more popular in the UK than here.
What would be really funny is if a bunch of Boffer-wielding LARP fighters got zombie-fied and kept the boffers. Comedy Gold.
On a very tenuously related note, have you ever seen Code Geass? I’ve only seen a few episodes, but I had trouble telling the “11’s” (Japanese) from the “Britanians”. They all look like generic idealized anime pod people to me. Whats up with that? I have to look it up on wikipedia to figure out who’s who. But some of the girls have really great boobs and the school uniforms come with super-short skirts, so, no complaints…
krellen, maybe because seeking retribution and propagating hate is easier than forgiving and taking responsibility?
Let me make a somewhat different case.
Traditional zombie movies are about the dead of your own community rising up to kill you. The infection is a metaphor for corruption within society.
Res Evil IV appears to participate in a very different tradition, one where an outsider, a traveller, a colonist faces an alien evil on its home turf. In that tradition, the evil to be faced is an expression of the primitiveness of the culture being visited.
This is a familiar storyline not from mid-century American horror films, but rather from turn-of-the-century pulp fiction glamorizing the Colonial project through which Africans and other “primitive” people were subjugated to the benefit of white people.
So let’s not say “racist” but rather reminiscent of an ugly literary tradition.
If you want to see that tradition at its best, read Conrad’s Heart of Darkness. Conrad evokes the tradition, only to subvert it by suggesting that the white reformer brings his own darkness with him when he ventures into “Darkest Africa.”
If you want to see that tradition at its worst, read King Solomon’s Mines or any of a host of other adventure tales. There are traces of this sort of “racism” in Lovecraft as well. I’m not condemning him, understand, but just trying to spell out why someone might find Res Evil’s evocation of this tradition distasteful.
In the future, being black will be a state of mind…
No longer will skin colour have anything to do with our race. No, instead, our race will be decided by our mindsets…
krellen: I am not going to attempt to tell anyone what they should or should not feel guilty for (although I suspect we see eye to eye) I want to second your statement that systemic poverty is a far greater injustice and a far greater risk to society than racial prejudice.
People like the Crispy Gamer reviewer and Gregory Weird scare me. But, hey, I guess it’s cool to realize we’re survivors of a memetic zombie apocalypse, perhaps?
Having completed the game I can confirm that the grass skirts and bone necklaces thing is only used for one or two chapters in the middle, and they are supposed to be a primitive tribe rather than the inhabitants of the town where you start off. There is even a diary that you can find in the village where the writer cites people dressing up in warrior gear as an example of the strange behaviour he has witnessed in recent days. Elsewhere there are characters wearing normal clothes and military uniforms as appropriate, as well as plenty of inhuman monsters.
I’m actually very much in the “Resident Evil 5 Is Totally Racist” camp. I doubt that was the intent, but it’s absolutely a side effect, and the “Hur hur, I’m gonna gun down some darkies” mentality is sadly very present in some people who have bought the game, I’ve witnessed it first hand.
I really think in a few decades this will be one of those things that pops up with a “You know, we didn’t know any better back then…”, like Mr. Yunioshi in My Fair Lady.
You have a group of people who have traditionally been oppressed being gunned down by attractive foreign white folk. (Yes their zombies, doesn’t change the image of you the strong white guy gunning down Africans.) I don’t think the game should be banned or anything, but I can absolutely see how someone would be pissed off about it.
If there’s anything I’ve learned when we were doing Chainmail Bikini, is you absolutely have to be aware of the difference between intent and reaction. We were certainly not thinking “Hey, let’s make fun of rape!” when ZOMGRapeGate exploded, but that was the reaction.
I’m sure Capcom was thinking “Hey a RE game set in some remote 3rd world country would be cool!” but they’re a large enough company that someone should have realized there would be a backlash.
The irony is that the Zombie myth originated in the framework of Voodoo superstitions in Haiti:
Well, I found it worrying that the majority of the cannon fodder in Watchmen were Asian.
I think that what we’ve come across here is very much about intent v. reaction.
The intent was probably to show representative zombies for the region.
But how it looks, if you pull out a screenshot, is two white(-ish) characters gunning down waves of black skins.
If you take out the “zombie” aspect, it would be a game about two light characters defending themselves with guns against generally unarmed black assailants.
Racism isn’t some made up term to hold everybody back, it’s a legitimate term to describe what has historically been true about race relations.
The people playing (in that way) RE5 are racist, Shawn. That doesn’t make the game racist.
A recurring character (who happens to be white) going on his latest mission to a place that happens to be almost entirely populated by people that happen to be black does not make the entire model itself racist. However, it does lend itself to newcomers and noodle-heads looking at it and assuming racism, since it’s what they want to see.
Out of context, it looks pretty racist. In context, not so much.
Interpretively, I think it’s important to insist that reaction is grounded in [authorial] intent. If you’re not insisting that, then intent is irrelevant and everything just becomes a playground for people to vent their neuroses about. College professors across the world have shown us exactly how foolish and fruitless a chore that is.
On other issues, e.g. games glorifying violence, or sex, the gaming community rightfully ignores idiotic grievance-driven interpretations. Meanwhile, throw race into the mix and Political Correctness takes over.
In my opinion the [ironic/post-ironic] “Hur hur, I'm gonna gun down some darkies” mentality you reference is a direct reaction to the hypocrisy that Political Correctness has fostered on the race issue. I hardly think the game is actually manifesting real racism in people, merely allowing them to be iconoclastic when it comes to this sacred cow of PC.
You are brave to tackle this. Or, you would need to be brave if your readership were not largly free of the types suseptible to such propaganda AND free of the types who propagate it for their own malevolent ends. You are preaching to the choir. But at least your message is true and good.
And even if there was a backlash does that mean they shouldn’t do it? If anything that should confirm their actions.
Hell, if you want you could claim that WoW is the worst game in the world. It has racism, genocide, religious zealotry, torture, necromancy, demon worship, general murder, environmental destruction, etc… All of which is performed by the player at some point.
In context RE5 is pretty dam far from racism, and it’s insulting to hear these complaints. Racism implies an intent, show me the intent in RE5 and I’ll eat my own head.
Cineris: Congratulations. In three paragraphs I counted at least three distinct logical fallacies. Slippery Slope, Ignoratio elenchi and post hoc ergo propter hoc, respectively. That is quite an achievement.
@Derek K. (#24): Just FYI – Australia is a single country (unless you count the Hutt River
ProvincePrinciplity, but no-one does).
I remember talking with a friend of mine, who doesn’t play games, about our plans for the weekend; mine involved buying and playing RE5, to which he replied, “Hey, isn’t that the racist game?”
I said, “No, it’s set in Africa, which has a majority population of…”
And he said, “It’s set in Africa? I didn’t know that.”
So, yeah, the game isn’t racist, but people have been calling it racist for so long that it’s pretty much already true to anyone who isn’t familiar with the game itself.
Which, until not even a week ago, was everyone.
@Strangeite: While in his short example Slippery Slope may not be valid, it is possible for it to be valid assuming you can trace the pattern. Thus Slippery Slope is “definitevly invalid”, however in such a short term forum that is not uncommon. The biggest problem with this is that most valid Slippery Slope arguments are hard to detect beforehand and usually require great thought, a general rule of safety is assume it can occur and keep an eye out for it.
For example, there was a shooting in Germany that is being blamed somewhat on Far Cry 2. However, the proposed rating change was targeted at WoW, which had no relation to the case. You could perceive that as part of a Slippery Slope.
On the perception vs. intent issue:
I suspect this debate would be a lot less intense if this setup was part of a more seriously crafted story and not (as is the case with Capcom) a borderline farce packed with nonsense and unintentional idiocy. If this happened within the confines of a serious or arty game people would be looking for meaning or allegory, or perhaps applauding it as something deeply disturbing or purposefully challenging. But it’s a (reportedly) dumb story. Soderbergh or Scorsese could make a movie where a character wears blackface as part of A Statement. But Michael Bay or Uwe Boll? Not so much.
Yeah, most people just don’t get it. They are still hyper-sensitive to anything which might offend The Black Man. America is a country where the color of your skin matters, in that people make a point of stating that it doesn’t matter. Really, if you perceive this game as “Whites vs. Blacks” that says more about you than it does about the game.
Japanese aren’t racist the way Americans are. To them it isn’t whites vs. blacks, it’s non-Japanese vs. other non-Japanese. They don’t care about the skin color of stupid gaijin. Now if it were a bunch of wealthy Japanese noblemen killing waves of homeless Burakumin, then it would be pretty racist.
Having graduated from an NCATE certified teacher education program, I can tell you that the word “Tolerance” is no longer tolerated. It connotes a degree of insensitivity that is unacceptable in today’s new and sensitive world.
Hey people. I actually have beat this title and a few things should be brought to light.
1. The grass skirts and spears come in to play late into the game when you travel far from civilization. They do not come out when you are ever close to a an actual town.
2. These people aren’t zombies in the way you are normally used to. They are hollowed out and ran by parasites. The normal systems breakdown rather quickly, hence the decayed look.
3. There are also characters in the game that are African natives that look absolutely normal. One of the story characters, Josh, is part of the faction Chris is in.
4. The biggest, evilest most vile bad guy in the game is so white he resembles aluminum.
So, it really is all on how you view it. Any other questions feel free to ask.
I am firmly in the camp that RE5 is NOT racist.
To all those saying “out of context, it looks racist”, you are missing the point. You can only look at it in context. To do otherwise is just silly. Seeing/finding the context may take longer than just looking at something out of context, but it’s the only way you can actually voice an opinion on it.
Example: Out of context, Batman and Robin (the crimefighting duo, not the movie) can seem like some kind of hidden sexual relationship of men in tights. In context, however, it becomes evident that Batman takes Robin under his wing as he sees his own childhood in him. He wants to save him from the evils that plagued his life, to help guide his path, etc. Batman is Robin’s mentor and father figure, not a lover. In context, it’s not sexual at all.
Sure, looking at things of out of context can come up with some strange results (and sometimes be hilarious, as shows like the Daily Show teach us by sometimes using what politicians say out of context). But you can never ignore context if you wish to truely discuss something.
In short, context is everything. Content divorced from context is irrelevant if one wishes to truely discuss a subject.
I hope I made sense in the above. I was kinda just going stream of conciousness there.
The Unknown, context includes the cultural baggage of the audience.
The difference between killing white zombies and killing black ones is that white zombies don’t reinforce a stereotype of mindless threatening alien-ness that still attaches to black people in the minds of whites, subconsciously or not.
Why is it more important to get our African-zombie-fighting lulz guilt-free than is the subtle demeaning and exclusion that black people live with every day IRL? Why should they have to put up with that in their entertainment, ffs?
Shamus – when someone slaps you in the face, saying, “Damn, that hurt!” isn’t “taking deliberate offense.” It hurts. And if you slap someone in the face by accident? It still friggin’ hurts.
The Japanese designers, they’re professionals. If they choose to publish a game set in a different culture, and partly for the consumption of still another culture, they can afford to do a little research.
(Here’s a freebie, though: check out a few of the links collected from the discussion that’s been raging in SF fandom since January. http://rydra-wong.livejournal.com/tag/gcadod+09
Or this: http://community.livejournal.com/sex_and_race/296541.html)
I’ve seen various responses to this whole argument here and there, and there’s a definite spectrum. On one side you have people like the reviewer cited here who are clearly PC bandwagoning, badly. On the other side you have people who miss the point equally widely in the other direction.
White guy shooting black guy, not the issue. Not as far as I can tell, particularly relevant to the issue. If that was the problem, then clearly yes, zombies, yes, africa, we’re all on the same page.
As far as I can tell this was all sparked by the trailer, which was in large part not even combat. There are some people, well versed in the language and imagery of racism, who saw in that trailer many common elements of such imagery.
To accuse the developers of racist intent is almost certainly absurd, but the imagery is factual and the similarities are arguable. It’s unreasonable to take offence at something which is most likely unintentional, but regardless of that, the character of the game remains dubious to some.
The final summation being that racism isn’t imaginary, and there are stereotypes associated with it. Some of them appear in the RE5 trailer. Good? Bad? I don’t much care… but the fact remains.
Oh, and please for the love of God, find out what a ‘hoard of zombies is’, because it doesn’t mean what some of you seem to think it means.
Incidentally, when you live in a country with buildings which have been in use for over a thousand years and actual castles with actual armouries, I think you feel less need to dress up as ye olde soldiery. If there were English zombies with locally sourced weapons, you’d be more likely to find skinheads coming at you with broken bottles.
It’s true. I think there are more “samurai swords” in the public domain right now than pikes…
I get fed up of Racism debate very quickly, because it invariably slides down into “whenever I walk down ____ street, Paki guys give me dirty looks, and the Police never do anything!” and I can’t help but lose the will to argue.
Seen the latest Escapist? Man oh man, now if there was ever a time when synchronicity ever wanted to hoof mankind in the groin to remind us of it’s existence then it is now.
Go. Watch. And take notes for when others like this Scott Jones go gallivanting about how, as white people, they must be offended in lieu of black people who may or may not be offended about the whole thing.
Personally, I think they, the Black People(TM), would be offended if they were not being shot at in Africa. After all, aren’t black people good enough to be undead too?
“Can you imagine the nerve of that game? It takes place in Africa and all they do is shoot white people?!? Aren’t there any black people in Africa?“.
The problem with the anti-“colorblindness” camp is that “Colorblindness” is the ONLY way that can work.
“Color blindness” is treating all people like HUMAN BEINGS without worrying about color. It is not about stripping culture and heritage from people.
You cannot TELL culture and heritage from skin color. Any assumption you make on culture and heritage from skin color borders on racist. Black is not a culture. It is a degree of pigmentation of the skin. There are many cultures made of of people with dark skin. Making an assumption based on the color of someone’s skin is much more wrong than acting in a humane and genteel way keeping a blank slate for the person’s heritage until THEY TELL YOU.
Not all white’s have the same heritage. If we go by the anti-“colorblindness” camp we assume that they are. We have Germans, and British, and French and a whole host of others with light colored skin that if you called them by the wrong nationality because of their skin color would be VERY offended.
Not all Hispanics are Mexican. Not all light colored people are European. Not all blacks hail from the various countries in Africa.
I am proud of my Scottish heritage. Not my light skin color. However, if judged by my skin color alone, no one would know about my Scottish heritage. To equate color with heritage is wrong-headed and just serves to CONTINUE racism.
Being “color blind” is about reserving assumptions and treating people like people. Not like artificial social constructs that may or may not be true.
@ H.B. (Comment 53)
The cultural baggage of the audience is context, but so is the fact that RE5 is part of the Resident Evil series, games about people becoming zombies. Sure, the audience’s cultural baggage is there, but they can’t ignore the context of the work. It would be unfair to do so.
“And if you slap someone in the face by accident? It still friggin' hurts.”
Sure, it hurts, but you can’t be mad at the person who slapped you. It was an accident. Out of context, a person was slapped. In context, it was an accident (maybe he was falling or something?). In context, you wouldn’t blame the slapper.
The colonisation is a very ugly spot in history. And here in South Africa we had apartheid, which is very recent history. I do not think people are frivolous or petty for finding the game’s imagery upsetting.
What if we had another WWII shooter. But we mix it up a little. The player takes the role of a Schutzstaffel officer and you go about gunning down Jews in Poland- but not regular Jews, zombie Jews! Would it be better if you were gunning down Jews in modern Europe instead? Would you scoff at an outrage from the Jewish community then?
If they get upset, they’re obviously the ones with racism in their heads because they see it and you don’t?
You may not believe this. But I actually know a left-handed Australian with freckles who voted ALP (I just asked her in MSN if she was actually left-handed. I was so excited when she said yes)
Isn’t this man being racist himself by being uncomfortable killing black zombies, and comfortable killing white zombies? (Heh, White Zombie ^^). I mean, racism is a two-way thing.
Here’s a question. How do you define racism from the point of view of different cultures?
I know that, as a midwestern American, I have a pretty good grasp of racism as it has impacted my country. Slavery, civil rights movement, etc. I know very little about the racism in Japan. Or France. Or Australia.
So, should Japan (the country of origin for RE5) truly be expected to grasp the potential for a racist view, based on another view entirely?
What would they come up if they were deliberately trying to be racist? What would be their most likely ‘unconscious bias’?
And what if they had actually put more thought into it than ‘need a different setting for zombie shoot 12’.
I see alot of people harping on the games story (when not talking about the non-racism in the game), and I will say, if you take it as your average action movie sort of plot, the story is great, its no worse than Steven Seagal or Jackie Chan’s plots, or Transporter, or Mission Impossible. Take it with a grain of salt and some cheese and it comes off just fine, I don’t know if its intentional, but hey it fits.
Most people are in the “RE5 is not racist” boat, no need to add my 2 cents again.
Out of curiosity, any of the “RE5 is racist” folks posting here Black? Or, for that matter, are any of the “not racist” ones? Or are we a bunch of big white guys arguing over something that, ultimately, we don’t really get to vote on anyway?
I’m caucasian, for the record. Live in Canada, ancestry is European. I hold that RE5 is not racist. Take that as you will. =P
I am usually white. But it is very dark in this room right now.
Once again I want to thank everyone for having such a thoughtful and civilized discussion on such a divisive topic. You people are great.
I wish I could give all of you an inappropriately long hug right now.
@krellen – 64: You posted while I was typing. For the record, I’m black/Hispanic. In theory, I should be offended by RE4 as well. I’ll probably post my non-gaming, much more racially sensitive fiancee’s thoughts on the matter in my blog later tonight, but I’ll swing back here and relate them so they can pop up here.
I’m going to paraphrase a story that one of my old bosses, Robert, told me. Regardless of veracity, it holds particular weight with this whole debate.
There was a time, long long ago, when Colin Powell was being interviewed as an up and coming African American in the Army (I believe this was before he became a general). One of the questions asked of him was, roughly: “What is your feeling about racism in the Armed Forces?”
His response: “I have not had a problem with racism in the Army.”
After the press conference, Robert was in Powell’s office, as he was Robert’s commanding officer, on unrelated business. But it was fairly obvious the interview didn’t sit well with him, and as he was leaving Powell stopped him and said, “Did you have a problem with what I said?” in reference to Powell’s response.
“Sir, I think that to say that racism has not been a problem in your career is quite honestly a lie. I don’t think any black person in the Army, myself included, would agree with you on that point.”
“Robert, racism is not something I have a problem with because I am not racist. The people who have a problem with racism are racist themselves. Racism is their problem, not mine.”
Bottom line is: Personal bias for the person playing the game is irrelevant, especially if they are hyper-sensitive to such issues. The baseline for racism is purely about intent, not about perspective.
As far as the intent goes, I would almost claim that because the game is devoid of artistic merit it doesn’t have to deal with the problem of racism or not. Birth of a Nation is not purely derivative entertainment, and actually is blatantly racist as it goes out of its way to elevate white people at the cost of black people. Using blackface, in most capacities (beyond a production of Othello), actually is racist because someone actively is making race an issue.
Resident Evil 5 takes the zombie menace, and puts it in Africa. Unless it’s taking place in South Africa with tons of Dutch around, arguing about black zombies is ridiculous. Every Resident Evil has taken place, in some capacity, in the middle of nowhere. Raccoon City was a middle of nowhere town. The first RE (I believe) was in a middle-of-nowhere mansion. RE4 was in the unnamed, generic isolated Spanish countryside. RE5 is in Africa somewhere. What other ethnic group would you expect to find? This is dictated by setting, not because someone said “Oh we need to mow down some black people. We can’t do Harlem, so let’s go to Africa. I hear they have loads of ”
As far as racist imagery, I don’t see pearly white smiles. I don’t see large lips and shuffle dancing. I don’t see anything that would indicate historically offensive paradigms, especially for the US, that’s no worse than your average box of Uncle Ben’s rice or Aunt Jemima’s pancake mix. To be frank, I don’t see anything different from Resident Evil 4 beyond a meaningful change in scenery appropriate for the setting. More importantly, for such a White Is Right game, why is the female lead not also white? Shouldn’t she also be lily fresh, blonde, and sexy to make the battle for white supremacy complete? She isn’t Asian, that’s for sure.
If anything, one could look at Japanese games as a whole and wonder, if they have any fault at all, why they elevate Western European features as a form of beauty as they do. Ken from SFIV is actually Japanese-origin, but wants to be American to the point where he bleaches his hair. I don’t remember playing a single RE where an Asian features prominently anywhere, except for Ada Wong, who isn’t exactly a positive role model for heroism. Is she a symbol of Japanese self-loathing? It would be a much more fruitful discussion. Cherry-picking RE5 for being racist out of the entire series is irresponsible for any real discussion.
Congratulations, in just one paragraph I counted at least three attempts to appeal to authority by attempting to deploy rhetorical terminology inappropriately.
The pixels you see on this screen (or the scribbles you see on paper, or the sounds you make with your throat) have no innate, universal meaning. Meaning is only established through internalizing a set of rules about what possible meanings of these symbols could be. When one person decides that he does not need to decode the “intent/meaning” that the “author” used the symbols to encode, then it’s hardly a slippery slope to conclude that they must then attaching their own meaning to the innately-meaningless signifiers. If it’s not meaning invested into the symbols by the author, then it must be coming from someone else.
Now this type of meaning-attribution happens all the time on a regular basis. We [Humans] can look at pictures like this and have a laugh by attributing meaning to a form that doesn’t actually have a meaning. Similarly, appropriating words or phrases from other languages happens all the time, and doesn’t need to be grounded in the original meaning/intent of the word. So long as we’re not pushing this newly-constructed meaning onto the original authors [if any] the practice is harmless and can be fun and inventive.
However, this practice can be, and is, used maliciously. Naturally this is something that’s been going on since humans developed language and will continue on until we abandon it for direct mind-to-mind transmission, it’s also true that the particular usage of this tactic has become more formalized in the last few decades by certain political factions. From the famous use of “niggardly” to less high-profile but no-less harmful examples that come up every day, this practice is commonly used to stir up outrage and smear reputations.
I once had a discussion with a black woman who insisted that Frank Miller was a racist for how he drew a particular image in a comic book. Apparently, this character was demeaning to black women because it overemphasized her sexual attributes in a way that was reminiscent of old stereotypes about black women being sexually voracious. You see, Nancy in Sin City was drawn in a very sexualized way, the character is a stripper after all, and the image is of her performing. She was also drawn in black, since that noir black and white is the style of the comic book. But Nancy isn’t a black character. This was an unconvincing argument, because we weren’t really even discussing the same text, so to speak. One was the text that I knew originated from Frank Miller and how he was trying to tell the story, and the other was a text that was constructed from cultural baggage primarily, and only tangentially related to the Frank Miller text at all except insofar as it was superficially similar to other things.
Just look at the replies in this thread, “I do not think they meant to be racist, but…” Or, “In the context of 500 years of Negro slavery in the United States, we are required to attach the following cultural baggage …” These are classic qualifiers that what we are doing is not dealing explicitly in the text’s intent/meaning, but purposefully constructing another text wherein we look at Resident Evil 5 as yet another piece of racist propaganda, even though when you examine its [RE5’s] intent it has nothing in common with the other texts we are linking it to. Even the 4Chan-like, “Hur hur kill some darkies” type of text is an obviously attached meaning, one which is purposefully meant to encourage PC-adherents to attach that meaning to their own mentally-constructed RE5 text, so that 4Channers can piss people off and instigate “lulz” by pretending to approve of said text.
I’m in the “not racist” camp.
My view on the matter has already been represented well by
1)Shamus’ post here
2)These videos by MovieBob aka the Game Overthinker
in this one
around the 2:12 mark, Bob points out that video games are created and informed by a different ethno-political paradigm, then in this one
He addressees the issues raised by RE5 specifically. The video is about the trailer for the game but the discussion points have not changed appreciably since then.
That review on Crispy Gamer was not written about RE5. It was written about Scott Jones, so everyone could see what an upright, enlightened, properly-thinking person he is. Which is always the case with self-righteous douchebags.
I am a left-handed Australian with freckles who voted ALP at the last election, and I can confirm that I haven’t been offended by any of your articles.
“Yet the localizers and developers were profoundly ignorant of how Africans, and African-Americans, and big white dudes with liberal leanings, would process the game.”
I must admit that I marvel the sheer hypocricy of things like this.Its like there are no black people outside of africa and america.
I’m going to take up what you’ve said with my semiotics professor, i think he’d find it interesting. Also, that is one funny ‘shroom. :D
Cineris is right. To divorce words (or signifiers, if you prefer) from the author’s intent is to do the author a profound disservice and to grossly chill free speech.
Speaking for myself, I’d really appreciate it if those of you who don’t agree would engage the argument on the merits. I’m very interested to know why you disagree.
(edit: I mean that as an honest question, not snark. I want to know how your minds work in this regard.)
Rodeoclown: Sssssh. Although it has provinces, which Ozzies are usually quick to point out to me.
@Cat Skyfire: “What would they come up if they were deliberately trying to be racist? What would be their most likely “˜unconscious bias'?”
The Chinese. You can find some amazingly insensitive stuff in anime – even things like Ranma 1/2 have some pretty offensive stuff when the cast goes to China.
@Krellen: I lived in NM, and yeah, everyone there is either a little bit hispanic, a little bit native american (I originally used “Rez” but I dunno how offended people would be by that. ;) My Rez friends used that term fairly often. That or “Apachahoe” – half navajo, half apache. That was awesome), or a little bit of both. Heck, it’s about the same way in Texas.
Man, I miss green chiles and amazingly good mexican food. Surprisingly, the southwest cuisine in Wisconsin isn’t spectacular.
I’m another left-handed Australian with freckles who voted ALP in the last election. I was surprised to find out I’m not the only who reads your stuff. And no, I don’t find it offensive.
I’m surprised nobody’s brought this up yet – or maybe different platforms actually get different versions? I watched a friend play on the 360 (can’t stand console controls myself) – but the zombies are not all black. Yes, the majority of them are, but a significant minority are not, and appear to be recycled zombies from RE4 mixed with some non-hispanic caucasians (who might be from RE4 too, I didn’t see or play that one). Fairly obvious attempt to stave of accusations of racism; also fairly obvious it didn’t work.
There are still plenty of non-black zombies in this game, as well as a fairly pretty white girl.
So, I’m guessing we can chalk this up to another writer who hasn’t actually played what s/he’s complaining about.
I would like to add my voice to all the other left-handed Australians with freckles in declaring a complete lack of offence regarding you articles.
I think we’ve almost reached the point where racism itself isn’t as big of a problem as unfounded accusations of racism are.
I don’t think it’s racist.
I’m Chinese. Possibly I don’t count.
What I find particularly interesting is that – from what I’ve read – all the racism discussion is primarily based from the US viewpoint, while the game was produced in Japan. Given that it has been acknowledged the the original development was in Japanese, it follows that the developers were likely Japanese themselves, and thus do not share the same history of black enslavement as in America. Taking offence at the perceived racism in this context is nonsensical.
I would be surprised if anyone thought that the game makers were racist- I get the impression that they were unaware of the implications of what they are doing. That’s fine, but it doesn’t stop something have uncomfortable implications. Joss Whedon’s Firefly has an abundance of asian imagery and no asian characters. I have heard that justified, but it looks really bad.
The grass skirt thing is somewhat justified, but the reviewer is correct that two whiter skinned people shooting at black people, and even trying to save random white woman from the horrible black people looks bad. Historical portrayals of Africans as cannibals and savages are to our shame, and such things simply do not exist.
If I was profoundly ignorant of anti-semitism, and created a game where my main character had gone to Isreal, discovered that the people were infected by a virus that made them need to drink the blood of children, I suspect one might perceive my game as racist. I’m NOT saying this game is as bad as that, but I think the analogy holds.
Disclaimer- I am white, I HAVENT played the game, and all I know is from reviews and discussions. I don’t know that this game really does carry bad implications, but it seems like it might.
I am yet surprised why there was no outcry from germans regarding every WW2 game, because it is racist too and has the very same implications RE has to the blacks.
Makes me wonder, what are the opinions of a black person regarding that game? So far I can only imagine white people to complain about it and what not.
Anyways, some games will somewhere always offend someone, either as some people or depicted, habits, or what not.
I think the Scott Jones article was more racist than the game is. As pointed out above, it contains racial generalisations as well, and given that it is obviously aware of racism issues then if something can be racist without intent (which I dont believe) then the article has far less plausible deniability than the game.
And I am also a left-handed Aussie who voted Labor. I dont have freckles though :(
Scourge – “Makes me wonder, what are the opinions of a black person”
This reminds me of Yahtzee’s latest review – the one where he makes social commentary about 50 Cents’ second game and the comments board explodes in debate on whether it was spot on or too edgy, except they can’t reach a conclusion because they’re all too busy tripping over the fact that they’re all making baseless generalizations.
All this back and forth about race, but the demographics of the online gamer population are so lopsided that the whole thing begins to sound like a satire of itself.
Realizing that a considerable portion of the commenters here are left handed liberal aussies makes me feel marginalized, quite frankly. What about my cultural identity? Where are the other north european middle aged men in whitecollar professions? Let your voice be heard too, I don’t care if you have freckles or not!
…What, the game? Haven’t played it and don’t care to, sounds like garbage. As for trumpeting opinions about things in general, with no personal experience from the topic, that I do have some opinions on. I’ll save them for later though, this thread is far too long already.
According to some people’s logic, Overlord is also political incorect because you have him, the Overlord, with a castle and power (the higher social class), that comes into the village and starts tormenting the paisants, which are portraied as poor wretches (the lower class).If I want I can find many more games that present political incorrect situations.How about Real Crime NY, when you have a black cop, abusing, beating and killing mostly white and asian people?Isn’t this racist?Nobody says that it is, because people only see it when it affects the blacks.Why?Is there a pathological fear in some people (mainly americans) that they would be labeled as racist and hunted down by the PC bloodhounds?(I’m from Europe).
Being from germany, here is my take on WW2 games: We deserve it. If this is the way to not let people forget, so be it. And my thanks to those who actually chipped in to save the country I was born in from that madman (pass it on if you want to). I wouldn’t have known democracy if not for you.
There is a major difference between racism against minorities that have been/are being oppressed and nationalism against a nation that has contently let a madman take its reigns and nearly destroy the world as we know it.
I have a proposal to make: heretofore, White people are no longer allowed to call anything racist. No matter how obviously racist it is; we’ve played our cards far too much, and there’s nothing left. From now on, only Black people are allowed to tell us what is racist against Black people.
I think that would solve this problem immediately.
For the record, I have no monkeys. I am also a white Canadian Albertian who’s family has been here since the days of free farm land to those willing to get out here to take it.
I also want to come down on the RE:5 isn’t racist, but more because they do have their zombies in this game behave just like they do in all their other titles. If they had changed the zombies to be some of the really bad sterotypes of African’s you see in other Japanese products then the calls of racism would be totally understandable.
Some of the 80’s and even 90’s Japanese entertainment is equal to the worse black face nonsense imaginable. One piece, Shaman King and other anime especially using a stylistic approach can be nailed as racist, if you were wanting to see it. They usually treat the characters better then some of the 80’s products but when you look at ‘The Fresh Prince of Bel-air’ require some of the race based tension for it’s humour? The tension and issues of Race can be subverted and played for humour and plot.
The first ‘Night of the Living Dead’ had race as an issue, but to a newer generation they just see it as a campy story of voilence against zombies and the race issue is completely missed. (Based on showing it to a new generation last year, they failed to see the racist issues until I brought them up and then, much like the South Park example above, brushed them aside as secondary to the voilence.) And last night I returned from a screening of a Canadian zombie movie called ‘Pontypool.’ In that a major element of the virus spreading is language… French vs English. The tension between the two is played in the movie for laughs, but that an issue as hot button up here as Racism is in the states. That is to say some elites on both sides shout about how important it is but most people are not impacted by it on a daily basis and those that do usually end up somewhere in the middle seeing both sides.
But Pontypool approaches the issue in the artistic way that Resident Evil wouldn’t, using the tension well. Resident evil asking the players to shoot Africians may make some people uneasy, but as long as they then ask themselves why and work on those issues instead of washing their hands of it and walking away it can only be a good thing. It’s those that by the game just so that they can shoot Africans that you may have to worry.
Two final thoughts.
One, how long until we see this game being played by some white power villians in a movie? I think three weeks (they will just be playing the demo) and then in a major movie five months from now.
Two, I usually play resident evil with the brightness turned up so much that most of the foes look like ghosts as it is.
I have a proposal to make: heretofore, White people are no longer allowed to call anything racist. No matter how obviously racist it is; we've played our cards far too much, and there's nothing left. From now on, only Black people are allowed to tell us what is racist against Black people.
I’m not sure if you’re kidding or not, but I reject your proposal. I never did anything to oppress anyone, I don’t know if my ancestors did or not and frankly I don’t care. It does not give an entire class of people moral power over my entire class of people based solely on the color of our skins.
Even if it’s still worn ceremonially, having a level wherein they’re dressed in grass skirts and bone necklaces may not have been the best idea.
JohnW: I never said Whites had to accept such calls. Only that Blacks were the only ones allowed to initiate them.
And another thing: what’s wrong with fight intros? Case in point: http://aj.heypoorplayer.org/generators/svcintro/image.php?p1char=ryu1&p1line1=I+cannot…&p1line2=be+beaten!&p1line3=&stage=crystal&imgformat=jpeg&go=Generate&p2char=mai6&p2line1=Bring+it%2C+you+foolish&p2line2=karate+man!&p2line3=
I think that this screenshot is pertinent to the whole grass skirts/spears/pikes discussion:
This whole RE5 flap is very similar to the editorial comic incident that happened a few weeks back. At the time, there had been a news story about an escaped chimpanzee that had gotten loose and had (I think) bitten someone. Police had to shoot and kill it. Around the same time, the economic stimulus bill going through Congress was the big news of the week.
In the editorial comic, it shows the dead chimp on the ground, and the two cops who had just shot it. One cop is saying “I guess they’ll need to get someone else to write the stimulus bill now.”
There was a fairly large uproar and backlash to the newspaper about the comic, with accusations of racism against the cartoonist and the paper. To some people, this comic was incontrovertibly racist – it was some Neanderthal cartoonist/paper calling Obama a monkey – a stock racist slur!
1) The stimulus bill was being written by Congress, not Obama. If anybody, the money would reflect Nancy Pelosi.
2) Drawing someone as a monkey has plenty of non-racist connotations as well: god knows how many times Bush was drawn as a monkey.
So was the comic racist? IMHO, no, but it was wide open to being interpreted that way, especially if you weren’t aware of the actual chimp-shooting news story and just heard about the comic from the backlash stories.
It sounds to me like RE5 is almost in the same boat – no real intent, but possibly open to negative interpretation. So, is it offensive? Maybe, to some. Is it racist? I don’t think so.
Lastly, I’d have to say that Mr. Jones’ claim that all ethnicities, tax brackets, blah blah blah “must be considered” (presumably to avoid offending anyone, anywhere, ever) has to be one of the most ridiculously bad ideas I’ve heard in a long time.
Wow, people in this thread seem pretty convinced that a video game company in Japan (a country where, to this day, Africans are blithely depicted in pop culture imagery as baloon-lipped, spear-chucking savages) couldn’t possibly be crossing any lines when they make a game about exploring the “Dark Continent” (Shamus’s term) and gunning down the savage, machete-wielding, disease-ridden natives.
How about when RE6 ups the ante, where the new crop of zombies can only be killed by strangulation and so you dispatch them by putting nooses around their necks and stringing them up from trees? Or RE7, where your character has a special anti-zombie protection suit consisting of a white robe and hood? These added elements would, of course, be explained by reference to the world of the game, and have NOTHING to do with the history of lynching or white supremacy. Would any of you find those new elements problematic, or would it still be all good?
I have a news flash for you guys: every story ever told, no matter what world it pretends to be about, is actually about THIS WORLD. Because that’s the only world that exists, and it’s the only substrate any of us has for building narratives. So when I tell a story about beating my wife because she’s secretly a vampire, it’s still about the ACTUAL, REAL-WORLD phenomenon of men beating their wives. When I tell a story about flying spaceships into buildings to bring down a technologically superior empire, I can’t just delete my cultural and historical associations with 9/11. Everything that happens in a writer’s experience informs what he or she writes. So when I make a video game about mowing down hordes of savage diseased African natives, my brain is going to (consciously or unconsciously) make decisions about what my game has to say about AIDS, poverty, race, colonialism, and violence in Africa. If I’m a good writer, it will be conscious, and I will try to say something interesting that challenges people’s racism and stereotypes. If I’m a bad writer, I may end up being unconscious of what decisions I’m making, and I will write something that reinforces people’s racism and stereotypes.
Picador: We don’t need to resort to RE6 to “up the ante”. We can go back to RE4 and do that.
I’ve seen a lot of anime (anime section in the sidebar on the right) and I never saw the attitude you claim is so prevalent over there.
And you analogy above doesn’t work for me: If someone ELSE – who was not familiar with 9/11 – made a story about flying spaceships into buildings like you describe, is that author a hatemonger?
“Racist” is a super-special word we reserve for people who hate others based on race. If you want to start using it for people who run afoul of your sensibilities or who create imagery that reminds you of long standing racism, fine. But then what word do we use for the haters?
The average writer at Capcom hasn’t attended your race studies classes and absorbed American history and culture the way we have. I’m sure the average person in Tokyo is as familiar with our racial struggles as the average writer in Manhattan is familiar with the history of the House of Tokugawa.
Like I said: Taking offense first and making the other side PROVE they didn’t mean any harm is a recipe for more hate, not less.
C get!!! <– Curses! Foiled Again!
Anyhoo, to reiterate my previous thought from all the way down in 57, who would you shoot in Africa? The Chinese perhaps?
If no one raised banners at how the Poor Spanish(TM) were viewed in RE IV (What there’s no modern houses or farm implements? Pitchforks only?), then we have to ignore the Africans being killed in RE V. Otherwise we are being racist to the Spanish by not complaining about how they were treated.
Racism in Acceptance I calls it. If we accept shooting the Spanish, then we can accept shooting anyone, even Nazis.
@Picador – Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.
Do you really honestly think every story has to be a direct metaphor for some real-world situation/condition? Is there no room for imagination and inventiveness to create something new?
So are the earlier Resident Evil games racist against whites because it’s a Japanese game where you run around killing hideous disease-ridden *white* zombies in shopping malls?
What if RE6 is set in Tokyo, and you’re killing all hideous Asian zombies? Would that be racist too?
Yes,and lets all attack blizzard for being sexist(kerrigan becomes a treacherous bitch queen,and then men have to rescue her),and nazistic(arthas,a blond,muscular arian guy seizes power via force).Lets not forget to attack pacman for depicting asians in such a bad way,and pong for depicting all white people as skinny tennis players.
Sorry, I’m not sure how RE4 is analogous to the examples I gave. And nobody seems to have answered the question of whether a black-zombie-lynching game would be good clean fun.
I’ve spent a lot of time in Japan. It’s a pretty intensely racist society. They also have lots of “pickaninny”-type imagery in their advertising and pop culture, as I said (google “japan blackface” or “japan sambo” for examples). This is perhaps not as offensive as it would be in the US with its specific racial history, but it’s a pretty good barometer of Japanese awareness and sensitivity toward non-Japanese ethnic groups.
I didn’t call anyone a hatemonger. What I said was that if I — who AM aware of 9/11 — told that story, my knowledge of 9/11 would inform the meaning of the story I was telling. Just as this Japanese artist, who has been exposed to extensive imagery depicting Africans as barbaric, violent, desperate, disease-ridden primitives, is informed by those images when he decides to make a video game set in Africa.
Just as I didn’t call the writer a “hatemonger”, I also didn’t call him “racist”. What I implied was that a bad artist makes art that reinforces OTHER people’s racism. Whether that qualifies as racism on the part of the author himself is a semantic matter; I certainly think it makes him irresponsible, and a bad artist, and probably a bit of a jerk.
I don’t understand what any of this has to do with America. It’s about a Japanese developer making a game set in Africa. I also don’t understand what you mean about my “race studies classes”. My background and education is in engineering.
Africa has a long history of being on the receiving end of brutal colonization by everyone from the Arabs to the Dutch to the French to the British. These colonial efforts were often justified by the use of crude and dehumanizing propaganda. It’s this history, and this propaganda, that comes up when we see images of white protagonists shooting into crowds of crazed black savages. America isn’t part of the equation.
If it makes it easier to disentangle the American slavery and segregation vs. African colonialism issue, let’s adopt the analogy posed by the commenter above about a game where you fight bloodthirsty, child-eating Jewish vampires by throwing them into ovens. Is this okay? If not, why not? In my book, it’s not okay, and my reasons are the ones I’ve explained already.
I never asserted that the developer “mean[t] any harm”. I just think he’s irresponsible and a bad artist, and that his game is socially harmful.
Picador: Then we’re in agreement on the most crucial points. Like I said, I’m not faulting people who are shocked / horrified / made uncomfortable by the imagery in RE5. I objected to hanging the term “racist” on the writers. I see now that that’s not what you were saying.
A clarification: “Your race studies” should have read “our race studies”. I’d have edited the original comment if I’d noticed that sooner.
On the point of the writer being a bad artist: I’ve been saying that for YEARS.
On RE4: The Spaniards were just as barbaric, dirty, disease-ridden, and had several different types of primitive garb that made even less sense than grass skirts. Someone posted a screenshot further up the thread that reminded me of a section of the game I’d forgotten entirely: Guys in robes with crazy face paint, wielding maces. To my knowledge, NOBODY in Spain acts like that today, unlike the grass skirts in Africa which are slightly more justifiable. (At least “Justifiable” compared to the rest of the bizzaro world the writers come up with.)
Count me in on the side of the “the game is racist” folks, similar to what several people have done already. RE4 was all about Spaniard killing, yes, but the imagery isn’t tied up in potent racist imagery. To your last point, Shamus, nobody in Spain dresses up in the crazy face paint and wields maces — we don’t even have a Spanish stereotype of this. But the stereotypes RE5 is dealing in are potent. N’gai Croal, I thought, had the best take on this. “This image has a history” about sums it up (Keeping in mind that he was reviewing the trailer, not the game, but I think his critique holds.) It’s not the fact that it’s a white guy shooting black guys that makes it racist. It’s that it’s adopting images of black people, with all their racist history attached, that does it.
This is possibly a better discussion of the racism issues in the game at Crispy Gamer.
Just to put my two cents in, any vampire who eats babies deserves to be thrown into an oven, regardless of his race. :)
Reviewer Tom Chick just tossed in his opinion over at Crispy Gamer as well. It maybe gives some insight into what Capcom was shhoting for with the story. dissenting opinion
His dissention is more about the quality of the game than Jones’ complaints, which he says are “good points” and “in exactly the right place”, but then Chick goes on to say:
Now, I’ve never played a Resident Evil game, but if I understand the comments from those that have correctly, the zombies in RE5 are not significantly different in behaviour and demeanour from those of zombies in previous games. The only significant difference is that these have black skin. And somehow this makes these zombies “wrong”, while previous zombies were not.
This makes me a little sick. That is racism. Holding different standards for people based on the colour of their skin is the very definition of racism. If zombies with white (or brown) skin can behave in these ways without controversy, then zombies with black skin can too.
Anything else is racist, and you’re fooling yourself if you think otherwise.
Krellen, you can’t just boil it down that simply. Racism does not exist in a perfect platonic ideal. It’s defined by power relationships, history and culture. The point raised between RE4 (murdering lots of Spanish zombies) and RE5 (African zombies) is not so much the colour of their skin but the sense that the game is quoting racist imagery and dynamics. We don’t have a history of white men committing Spanish genocide. We do have a history of white men committing African genocide. Thus the latter scenario causes a lot more discomfort and raises these questions.
We’re not ‘fooling ourselves’, Krellen. We’re acknowledging that the discussion of racism is more complex than a simple tagline.
You’re doing exactly what I’ve been talking about, Sean; you’re keeping the subject of racism alive, rather than focusing on the issues that are actually dividing people. By saying “this is racism and is not okay”, you are only fostering the idea of racism altogether. Racism is not complex. It’s very simple: either someone’s skin colour matters, or it doesn’t.
I agree with Krellen. Yes, there’s a history of oppression of “blacks” at the hands of “whites”. But the majority of “whites”, both now, and throughout history have not oppressed “blacks”.
I find it offensive that my skin color associates me with racism despite the extreme improbability of any of my ancestors being slave owners. For all I know, they could’ve been abolitionists and civil rights crusaders.
Krellen, you’re being overly dismissive of the arguments at play — You’re oversimplifying it. Consider this argument for the game’s racism at Eurogamer. He’s not discussing the colour of skin, he’s discussing issues of representation: That the African characters are depicted as savage and bloodthirsty even before they’re turned into zombies, that there’s a scene that plays right out of the ‘brutal negro rapist’ scene from “Birth of a Nation”, that the zombie imagery uncomfortably dovetails into a long history of portraying black people as subhuman beasts.
You can stamp and claim that racism doesn’t exist until the cows come home. But the fact is that these images are in the game. And these images are racist. Are they also classist, as you brought up earlier? yes, you’re right — Classism and racism are two overlapping areas of prejudice and the two do get muddied up. The one thing common to both RE4 and RE5 is the sense of classism: Beautiful wealthy looking characters blowing away zombies from poor looking environments.
But those discussions above don’t fit neatly into a discussion of classism. “Poor people as inhuman lustful beasts” isn’t a characterture that’s been around for centuries. “Black people as inhuman lustful beasts” has. (And if you don’t believe me, I again direct you to such examples as Birth of a Nation, where a black man’s attempt to rape a white woman sparks the end game of the plot and the heroic triumph of the Ku Klux Klan.)
You’re right to say that classism explains a lot of the imagery in RE5, and in RE4 as well. But you’re wrong to say racism isn’t at play as well.
“Poor people as inhuman lustful beasts” isn't a characterture that's been around for centuries.
I have a counter-proposal: Nobody of any group A may tell anybody of group B that they are being racist against group C.
In this case, whites cannot tell Japanese that they are being racist against Africans. Africans are still free to make that assertion, as are Japanese.
On a separate note, WW2 games aren’t racist, not even when Nazis are portrayed as protagonists, provided that they are historically accurate. I would find a concentration camp simulator game set during WW2 distasteful, but not racist.
Sean, I am not oversimplifying. You’re overcomplicating. This is the very problem I brought up at the beginning: you want to see racism, so there is racism. You are fostering racism by insisting there is, in fact, racism here. Ending racism is, in fact, simple: stop making skin-tone matter. When you say that a certain set of depictions or behaviours are okay if done by models with light skin, but not if done by models with dark skin, you are being racist. You are blatantly saying that it is okay for Whites to do things that it is not okay for Blacks to do. The fact that we are talking about negative actions, in this specific case, does not make the over-arching message you are delivering any different.
As for the article you linked, I only have one thing to say about it, in response to this line: “but then the Spanish don’t have the baggage of being stereotyped as subhuman animals for the past two hundred years.”
Tell that to the many Hispanics that live around here.
Just returned to this thread after a couple hours away. The culture/skin colour issue makes me wonder if the zombies had been green skinned and based on klingon culture as presented in the latest Star Trek would the cries of racism be there?
No, of course not. Yet by making them about people in Africa it is called insensitive.
Stepping back a bit. By accounts the story is crudely told and the game play quite acceptable. As a video game that becomes a success as the video game world doesn’t hold the story up to much critical review.
The story they wanted to tell was about another group of people being used. For that they could have picked any group of people in the world, as long as they were different from those in the past games to up the ante. They picked a culture that has a history of being used. They did not present them in a way that was grossy racist, having them eating fried chicken and watermelon while having thick lips and small eyes. Without having played the game I cannot speak for how the story treated the native population, but from the video and examples shown they were not pulling any ‘Birth of a Nation’ nonsense.
If we say that you cannot tell a story about a culture because of what has happened to them, are we not being the racist ones? If we say ‘No, you can’t touch them’ for no other reason then historical guilt then who could we tell stories about? For thousands of years mankind as a species as been not very nice to their cultural neighbours and it is only recently that seeking to understand and accept a culture as been seen as something good.
The game itself has the culture behave in a sterotypical way. Sterotypes are often used in games as an easy way to identify with something without having to explain much. Movies and most stories do the same to some degree. If the foes had been Victorian England colonists lost in Africa sterotypes would become the only way for most players to understand them. (Mind you, I’d play that game too as I will play this one when I find a copy for a price I like)
The sterotype used isn’t one that depicts Africans negatively by default, instead it is the zombie template used in the other Resident evil games stamped on cultural trappings. If such a stamp were stuck on me I’d be a zombie in front of a computer who would go for his Katana under the desk when the hero bursts into the room. (As most ubergeeks seem to collect weapons, based on my friends and sterotypes)
Zombies are flesh eating and hungry. The Resident Evil zombies are also swarming bug like hive structured creatures. When you go into such a game you expect to fight swarming, flesh eating and charging hordes. I would expect the same should it be set in Iraq, Russia or Calgary. The cultural favour of the place would be thrown into the mix for flavour. So you would see builds that fit the sterotype and not the real cities, people in more traditional dress then seems realistic and you would be facing a stampede of Mounties at one point in the Calgary setting even though I haven’t seen a Mountie in the city for years.
Final thoughts here. The game is a video game telling a story about zombies in Africa. Realism checks out at least twice in that sentence, and the zombies themselves exist to the standard of zombies everywhere. When you see the game as only being about zombies and voilence you are truely colourblind.
Of course, does being colourblind always mean it’s a good thing?
From my igloo in frozen Canada.
There is a massive difference between a white guy killing black zombies in the predominantly black continent,and a whoever torturing to death whatever wherever.
And how come the writter is bad,or even a jerk?Because he made black zombies in africa?What if he made all of them white?That would be even more racist.
You and Sean Riley put too much into history.What you are saying that if the game was about some white guy burning them to death with a super hi tech flamethrower and they all were made to look fat and bloated and dressed in kimonos it would be ok because that sort of thing never happened.It would also be ok to make a game about nazis torturing japanese dressed like muslims because that thing also never happened.
There are some guys in here who remind me a lot of the guy from http://www.godhatesgoths.com – taking extreme views while assuming they’re on the “right” or “just” side. Except here of course the goths are Shamus and those of similar viewpoints.
Krellen, a question.
What sort of a game would you look at and feel you had to comment, “The game is racist”? What line do you feel would cross that boundary?
Also, to Daemian Lucifer:
I’m not saying that the writers are racist, or anything else. I have no insight into the authors intentions. I can only discuss the finished product.
If RE5 was the first game in a series, I might think it was racist. The context is important here, however; the zombies in RE5 are not notably more brutal, vicious, or barbaric than zombies in earlier titles, so focusing on the fact that they are such yet have black skin this time around is improper.
However, the fact that it is set in Africa does a lot to forgive this, because a zombie outbreak in Africa is naturally going to result in a lot of dark-skinned zombies. Brutal, vicious, barbaric zombies are no longer unusual for the genre, and so I’m not sure I would automatically see racism in brutal, vicious, barbaric black-skinned zombies.
Frankly, it’s pretty hard to be racist. The Black community has so embraced “nigger” that saying it is not a clear sign of racism. Discriminating against “Black” names is more a sign of classism than racism (there are equally poor “White” names that get similar treatment). Since racism boils down quite simply to restricting acceptable behaviour based solely on skin colour, I find it highly unlikely that any interactive entertainment is going to be actually racist; it would have to actively prevent you from taking certain actions if your avatar happened to have black or white skin, and without the ability to customise your avatar (which is the case in most non-RPG titles), it would be impossible to tell what is racism and what is a design decision.
There are certain blatantly over-the-top things that will clearly be racism, but they’ll be so over-the-top that there wouldn’t be a debate.
Krellen, continuing with my questions. I’m basically trying to scout out the territory here.
Let’s say that a game was based entirely around aliens, so there’s no humans in the game at all. However, one group of aliens are portrayed as a group of slaves, and lazy slaves, eating watermelon, and speaking in ebonics. In short, using every damn stereotype/historical symbol of African-Americans I could lay my hands on. Throughout the game, they are spoken of as worthless and terrible.
Would you see this as racist?
Edit: As an aside:
“If RE5 was the first game in a series, I might think it was racist. The context is important here, however; the zombies in RE5 are not notably more brutal, vicious, or barbaric than zombies in earlier titles, so focusing on the fact that they are such yet have black skin this time around is improper.”
This is, I think, a very good argument — And if the issues of representation were limited to the images of them as zombies, I’d think it was a knockout. But you’ve not responded to one of my key points: That the representation of black people who are not zombies also portrays them as savage, brutal people. That doesn’t have to be racist (black people can be savage and brutal, just as anyone can), but it’s enough to raise a red flag and, I think, make discussion fair.
I’m assuming by “alien” you mean at least as alien in appearance as, say, Turians. If you’re talking about normal people coloured green, it’s slightly different (and I’ll caveat the difference in a bit).
If you pile stereotypes on an actually alien alien, they have no meaning. Now, my state only has 3% Blacks, so my experience is a bit limited, but personally I don’t know a single Black person that love fried chicken (any more than anyone else), constantly eat watermelon, are habitually lazy, speak in ebonics, or in any way conform with these so-called stereotypes (they aren’t actual stereotypes, because true stereotypes are ground in truth, not fiction.) Therefore, I would not necessarily see this alien eating watermelon and think “Black”; it’s the association of skin colour with these negative traits that is racism, not the use of the negative traits themselves.
Now, if you’ve just got green-skinned humans here, and the “aliens” of this race all have Black facial and body structures as well as these attributes, the intent is far more obvious and far more damaging; I’d probably call that racist.
What is important is to shed off your preconceptions and look at it fresh; if you were a child that had never been exposed to the dirty history of Southern oppression, would you automatically see a lazy Turian speaking ebonics as a representation of Blacks? I don’t think a child would, and that’s the metric against which we measure.
When judging whether you think something is racist, ask yourself “will this make my children associate these traits with this race?” That is what creates racism, and that is what must be protected against.
To your aside: the depiction I have heard of was villagers beating something in a sack (a common way to slaughter things, for what it’s worth) and giving distrustful looks to the protagonist when he approached. The sack-beating is a non-starter, so I won’t even talk about it. The distrust is simple sense: the last time outsiders came to this village/country/region, they turned the majority of the population into pod-creature zombies with a taste for human flesh, so it’s completely sensible for the survivors to now be quite untrusting of outsiders. I see no racism here, just basic story-telling elements.
OK. I think we’re pretty much in disagreement then, but I do see where you’re coming from. The question between the two of us is whether symbols, images, and concepts can become racist in and of themselves even when divorced from the original race. (Which I think they can, and you don’t.) The example I’d give here is black-face — There’s nothing inherently racist about the idea of a white man acting as a black man. (Lawrence Olivier used blackface to play Othello.) But the legacy of the minstrel shows has charged blackface far too much to be anything but racist. You’d counter that it’s the original depictions that are racist, not each individual use of it, we need to judge each use on its own merits.
Based on this logic, I get your point. Resident Evil 5 is not racist if you do not accept that images appropriated from _previous_ racist use remain racist. I think they are. You don’t.
What I would ask is that you realise that by arguing that even bringing up the question fosters racism, you’re opening yourself up to the counter-charge: That by shutting down discussion of what others honestly see as racist, you’re stifling attempts to discuss racism and eliminate in in the future. You can make either argument pretty easily.
I don’t think we’re going to persuade each other on this. So I think I’ll be prepared to fly a white flag at this point. Truce?
Sounds good to me. Not often internet arguments end in mutual respectful disagreement, so it’s a nice change.
Wow. Congrats on peacefully ending a 126-post long discussion on the internet about racism.
I am especially proud of the participants in this discussion. It sort of tangentially qualifies as part of the monstrous RaceFail flamewar that’s been rampaging throughout the blogosphere, but everyone has done a wonderful job of keeping their heads, and being able to step back and see the wider view.
Capcom could’ve stuck with familiar ground with RE5: somewhere in America again, or perhaps move the franchise to their own native soil. Instead, they chose to set RE5 in a place and among a people not often spotlighted by entertainment companies – Western or Eastern. Insofar as that represents a sincere effort to broaden their horizons, it is commendable, particularly for people who are unlikely to have much if any regular contact with real-life Africans.
But as a major entertainment company with an increasingly global presence, it is not unreasonable to expect Capcom to invest more effort than has hitherto been the norm into understanding the peoples, places, and cultures they choose to depict in their games. That they resorted to the Big Black Bag of African Cliches – many of which have an ugly history and very few of which reflect well on the people of Africa – is disappointing, to say the least.
Of course, the same could be said about American entertainment companies, especially Hollywood. If anything, the Japanese have just picked up our bad habits, lacking their own frame of reference. But the fact we’re still struggling with such issues doesn’t get Japan off the hook for not trying a little harder.
Recently, Bob Chipman (aka Game Overthinker, aka Movie Bob)posted a followup video to his discussion of the trailer by posting his thoughts now that the game has been released.
He reasserts the game is not racist but then follows that by observing that the game is guilty of something deeper and worse than racism. He seems to support his points well enough but some of it has already been countered here (grass skirts & spears)the rest(special costumes)scarcely seem racist and more a blatant appeal to a sexual fetish.
Perhaps I’m off the mark,I’ll let you decide.
In case it needs to be said my intent here isn’t to stir the pot on an already controversial subject, it’s just that I’ve been edified seeing some of those more prone to critical thinking in the geek world hash this out.
what about all the white zombies from the frist 4 re games no one had anything to say when white zombies was geting blown away i dont see thease as black or white i see them as ZOMBIES and if someone is trying to eat me im gona shot that mother f$#ker i dont give a shit what color he or she is
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hahahaha what a stupid issue they are zombies that’s it …..what race got to do with it…why is it when video games showing gruesome violence on the streets of new york between blacks ok but not zombies from Africa this is laughable its a game based on killing the undead wherever they may be….. that’s all i did not feel any deep social issues rearing its head just the lack of ammo on occasion lol i think some people need to relax and play the game.. if it was set in India or Japan itself would that be racist?
Ok. So I am appauled at the SJW’s. Like for real? I suppose every other Resident Evil game is racist against White people huh? Get a life you snowflakes. Nobody cares about your fickle feelings ok? It’s a game! And before yall say it, I am Black. I saw no racism towards Black people in RE5. Still one of my favorite PS3 Titles. Yall just some attention hungry mfers. I swear, I am tired of yall for real!
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