Spoiler Warning S5E52: Honest Hurts

By Shamus Posted Thursday Aug 11, 2011

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Well that was fun. Honest Hearts is over and we return to the Mojave wasteland.

I’d apologize for us spending half an episode selling vendor trash and juggling inventory, but I think I need to save that apology for tomorrow. Things are about to get much, much worse.


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165 thoughts on “Spoiler Warning S5E52: Honest Hurts

  1. AlternatePFG says:

    That sounds… ominous.

    1. Slip says:

      Something to look forward to, I’d say.

    2. MichaelG says:

      What’s really ominous is no posts from Shamus in 4 days! And no tweets in 2. Is he ill?

  2. Stilleto says:

    if it gets worse i can only assume it involves moer drinking while playing, bees, more incinerators or puns, or all of them …..

    1. LB says:

      You refer to all of those aspects of this series as if they are negative. . .

      1. Stilleto says:

        o i meant worse for them, great for us :D

        1. LB says:

          It’s unlikely, but perhaps the getting worse is in regards to the fact that it’s late in the afternoon on a Friday and there is no episode yet.

          1. M the Cheddar Monk says:

            It’s sunday, and still no episode. Mumbles probably went into an alcohol-induced coma, and Rutskarn and Shamus are definately insane.
            And if you ever get a guest star, I vote for Yahtzee. Just by the way.

            1. Destrustor says:

              I’m actually starting to wonder if something happened to Shamus, what with the total absence of signs of life for half a week.
              I mean he or josh could have posted a short why-we’re-late-or-cancelling mini-post, like Rutskarn does every so often. Or even answered the comments asking about it since friday.

  3. Kian says:

    Hehe, if you want to annoy people, set up a Spoiler Warning for Portal, or Portal 2.

    There’s no hell more painful than watching someone work their way through a puzzle you already figured out. You’d just need someone who never played it to be at the helm.

    It would be awesome.

    1. Hitch says:

      Or, even better, someone who really knows there way around it and can solve every chamber in ridiculously convoluted ways. They never get stuck, but they also never go the way that makes sense, and seems right to the people watching.

    2. Slip says:

      Oh man, SW: Portal 2. That would qualify as a new kind of wicked.

    3. Kelly says:

      Spoiler Warning, Portal 2: 7 Dollar Robot Sunglasses.

      1. JPH says:

        Christ, are people still making a big deal out of that?

        1. Jarenth says:

          People are still making a big deal out of horse armor.

          1. JPH says:

            The internet is so fast, yet so slow.

    4. Aldowyn says:

      Heh. Ever heard of Tobuscus? I haven’t played Portal 2, and even for me some of the stuff he did was painful :D

      1. Vect says:

        And then there’s iJustine, who I don’t even really think is a gamer.

        1. Raygereio says:

          A gamer is someone who plays a videogame. Guess what she does?

          1. Magnesium360 says:

            I’m with Raygereio on this. If playing games doesn’t make you a gamer, what does?
            Side note: Reygereio really reminds me of Lefty Ruggiero, the notorious assassin who worked for the Bonanno crime family.

          2. What iJustine does is not playing, it’s wandering around aimlessly in a 3D space, gradually and frustratedly completing activities others may find fun. Like a blind man tripping and falling down a slide in painfully achingly slow motion.

            1. Raygereio says:

              Note that I’m not defending the existance of this iJustine character, but not everyone has to be super-duper-awesome at videogames. This is in fact somewhat funny to me considering how often Josh has been accused of sucking at videogames in these comments.

              And that’s not even going into my guess that that ditzy blond act is just that: an act.

  4. Hitch says:

    Yes, the Riot Shotgun is so much better. As evidenced by the fact that it was doing virtually no damage because it failed to surpass the damage threshold of the basically naked White-legs you were fighting.

    1. Ayegill says:

      To be fair, the white legs are actually pretty pimp at higher levels.

      Shotguns are good, especially the Riot Shotgun, but if you’re using a shotgun without shotgun surgeon, you have only yourself to blame.

      1. Gale says:

        Shotgun Surgeon is weird. The only other thing that compares in terms of armour break is the perk that does something similar for your fists. My last playthrough, I took it pretty early, and it was always bizarre coming across a high-DT enemy, and thinking “Oop, this guy’s tough, better get out my anti-armour shotgun”. Never got used to it.

    2. Destrustor says:

      Also, most of the white legs he was ineffectually shooting at were in water, which I think is bulletproof (Joshua graham himself failed to kill the swimming ones last episode). The ones he shot on dry land tended to die a whole lot more.

      1. Vipermagi says:

        Correct. Even when Josh managed to aim his gun, he didn’t do a whole lot of damage, though. 30 guns :P

  5. Captain2990 says:

    I miss mumbles :( is her internets better yet?

    1. Nyctef says:

      Well, she’s already possessing Josh (and Shamus with his hipster hotdog stand) so I wouldn’t be too worried :)

  6. Daemian Lucifer says:

    Something I forgot in the previous episode:about the sneering imperialist,doesnt it give you a bonus damage against fiends?That sounds(somewhat)useful.

    1. Ayegill says:

      It’s not like you don’t onehit fiends anyways at that level

      1. Daemian Lucifer says:

        Yeah,but dont you get that perk available as soon as you install the dlc,even at level 1?

        1. Kelly says:

          It’s not that low, but yes, Sneering Imperialist is available whether you’re in Zion or not, so technically it does have its uses. Fight The Power is far more helpful, but Sneering Imperialist isn’t bad.

          1. Znaps says:

            I refuse to take perks that aren’t linked to Public Enemy songs.

  7. Littlefinger says:

    So wait, the thorn questgiver, does she send you to the legendary deathclaw?

    Because I already killed that thing on level 9, and since I haven’t found any others like it, I assume it’s unique and part of a quest.

    1. Chuck says:

      You only need the eggs for Red Lucy’s quest. Killing creatures is just to get them out of the way.

      1. Littlefinger says:

        What eggs? I didn’t find any eggs in there?

        Unless it’s generic deathclaw eggs found on their melted/goo-ified bodies?

        1. Chuck says:

          The quest arrow will point you to an egg sack thing. I think they only appear if you do the quest.

    2. Ringwraith says:

      The final part actually gives you two choices, the home of the Legendary Deathclaw, or the Deathclaws at Quarry Junction, which is much easier as you have distance you put between them and you.

  8. Sleeping Dragon says:

    Okay, that Salt-Upon-Wounds dialogue option? If for some odd reason they didn’t want to put the options in that first choice it would’ve been so simple to just change the line from “this isn’t what I signed up for” to something like “You know what Joshua?” And followed up by the three, slightly rephrased options (the check, the fight and the “just shoot the bastard”). As it is I would never, ever pick the first one because I would assume the only option after that would be to try and convince Joshua to let this guy go.

    Also, I think a few episodes ago we’ve established that it was Josh either pretending to be everybody else or holding the rest of the cast imprisoned by some means… now it turns out Mumbles has been possessing Josh (and Shamus had that cannibalism thing at level up)… this is getting confusing…

    1. Cerapa says:


      1. bit says:

        So, what does this mean for MumblesXRuts shipping, if Rutskarn is also Mumbles?

        1. TheRocketeer says:

          I think that would mean more of the same for Rutskarn. Hey-o!

        2. Gale says:

          This is going to add a whole new dimension to my Spoiler Warning fanfiction series.

        3. Someone says:

          Trust me, the internet has seen weirder. Much weirder. I know a site…

  9. Destrustor says:

    you need to meticulously collect and display them in your house…

    1. James says:

      i know you NEVER sell unique items you either use them or keep them in yo house preferably in a locked safe in a locked box in a locked building surrounded by turrets, and super mutants (not yellow), and DeathClaw Mothers.

      1. Destrustor says:

        That’s your security? Pretty tame if you ask me. It at least needs to be on the moon.

        1. TSED says:

          Just put a chain link fence around everything. Worked for the Enclave in FO3…

          1. Michael says:

            Until Rutskarn comes along and TCL’s through your fence to nick your hoard.

            1. Jarenth says:

              In that case, the moon isn’t really safe either.

        2. droid says:

          I keep my collection in an underground orbiting moonbase.

          1. Michael says:

            Didn’t know we had any LRR fans here. Internet Bro-fist to you, sir.

            Nothing to add to the conversation, just a Bro-fist.

            1. klasbo says:


              (I, too, have nothing relevant to add to the conversation…)

  10. Ayegill says:

    “They put something in it to make you bunny-hop and carry every item that isn’t nailed down!”

    That reminds me. Fallout 4 should really include an item that can remove nails.

    1. Syal says:

      So… a hammer?

      1. Chuck says:

        Specifically a claw hammer.

  11. Kelly says:

    I suppose it’s meaningless to point out again that the reason the Dead Horses and Sorrows ACTUALLY turn warlike is encouraging Joshua to return to HIS old ways, since he’s their leader, so instead:

    Yes, the rewards chest is extremely lazy and doesn’t make sense, I’m not sure why it’s there. There’s a mod that’s supposed to spread the stuff around to various places (among other things) but it doesn’t work at present.

    In addition to Dinner Bell and caps, you also add the monsters whose eggs you gather to the thorn events that you yourself can participate in, as normally the thorn only lets YOU fight… Giant Radscorpions, Ants, and Geckos I think it is? I don’t know, I never really bothered to do the Thorn quests myself and only ever fought three Giant Radscorpions and paid for a Cazadors vs Deathclaw fight.

    …Also technically drugs don’t work on Joshua, which I don’t think they every explain.

    Also you guys can go do Old World Blues now. DO IT.

    1. AlternatePFG says:

      J.E. Sawyer (Lead designer for New Vegas) said on his Formspring that the reason why they had the chest at the end with all the clothing was so that players didn’t have to kill/glitch NPC’s in order to get their clothing/items.

      1. James says:

        so he put in a kinda Anti-Greifing NPC box, wow Josh must like his NPC’s to save them from death glitches and nudity.

        1. AlternatePFG says:

          Well, he said players tend to murder/glitch for unique pieces of clothing, so to circumvent that, they just gave it all away at the end.

          1. Sleeping Dragon says:

            Which leads to an interesting dilemma. Which is less immersion breaking: when a player thinks “whoah, that’s a cool unique armour, I need to get one like it, I’ll have to turn on the console to give it to myself” or “a mysterious chest out of nowhere, sitting on the ground for no reason where all the key NPCs apparently store their clothes.”

            I mean, in recent years we’ve been forcefed the “immersion” concept to justify about half the retarded things in games and then we get something like this…

            1. Zukhramm says:

              How about the NPCs keeping identical spare clothes in a wardrobe that you can steal from?

              1. Dragomok says:

                The best solutions are the simple ones and that one was probably too obvious to be obvious for the designers.

            2. Even says:

              Yeah, how dare they offer a convenient way to access the otherwise inaccessible unique gear?! Unthinkable!

              Really, it’s either the box or an angry crowd of players who’d complain about not getting them at all. I just don’t really see what the big fuss is. If the point of the box isn’t obvious from the get go, I don’t really know what to say. If it really irreparably breaks one’s immersion, then I think they might be taking the game a bit too seriously. I don’t really see much worth in having some convoluted explanation why all the stuff REALLY appears in the box. It wouldn’t really add anything to the DLC and a sizable amount of players wouldn’t really care either way.

              1. Sleeping Dragon says:

                TBH I’m not that annoyed at the box itself, I imagine I would be really glad to have it if I was doing an armour collection.

                It’s just that I’ve had a few close encounters with devs, madness burning in their eyes, adding/removing stuff from games and preaching about how they’re doing it for immersion’s sake. Then, after some game features have been castrated under this pretence, some other guy comes along and adds stuff like “an achievement, it will pop up when you get to the moment when your sister dies and will have some pun about family in the name.” So yeah, I’m pretty ranty on the subject.

            3. Vect says:

              Sawyer has stated that when push comes to shove, he puts gameplay over believability. He knows that people expect good rewards by the end and he doesn’t want people to kill/glitch NPCs so he decided to kill two birds with one stone.

            4. Gale says:

              New Vegas isn’t a PC exclusive. Not all players have access to the developer console.

    2. Chuck says:

      You also gain the ability to sleep with Red Lucy, which is why I did the quest, because my character was weird that way.

      1. Kelly says:

        Edit: bah, nevermind

    3. therandombear says:

      Yes, OWB next week. The Toaster demands it!

      1. Daemian Lucifer says:


        And when they finish it,it will be perfect time to do lonesome road.

        1. bit says:

          I’ll add another +1 to that. Do it, Josh! Do it IN THE NAME OF ALL THAT IS MOBIUS!

          1. Littlefinger says:

            Honestly, I hate having to run around the Big Empty in OWB, but I love the voice acting and character writing. It’s an entire pig farm’s worth of DELICIOUS DELICIOUS HAM.

            The various labs, otoh. Ugh.

            1. bit says:

              Personally, I thought that Big MT was better designed than most of the rest of the game. It was a tad ugly at points, but the enemies are varied nicely, there aren’t too many rat mazes, and the terminals and environmental storytelling were good enough that I was more than willing to explore every nook and cranny. Also, AMERICAN HIGH SCHOOL.

        2. AlternatePFG says:

          Lonesome Road is being delayed, sadly. They definitely won’t be able to play it before they finish the game.

          1. Kelly says:

            That depends how long they take in the Big Empty. If you take your time and do everything OWB is actually pretty goddamn big. Longer than the entirety of Fallout 1 actually.

            1. AlternatePFG says:

              True. Old World Blues is very lengthy if you do some exploring, but I doubt they will.

              On the topic of OWB, I just finished a playthrough of it now. Went in at level 6, came out at 20. Explored everything before finishing the main quest to get the best endings this time. Spoiler for those who haven’t played it:

              For some reason I felt really bad for killing the Think Tank, mostly because of how Dr. Klein reacted and lines they say during the battle.

              1. Kelly says:

                If you killed the Think Tank you didn’t get all the best endings. You can reform them by doing 0, 8, Dala, and Borous’ quests and turning them on Klein, or scare them in line by pretending to be Mobius, either way you make them your servants and put them towards serving the cause of SCIENCE in a more contained, benevolent manner, rather than just letting them run wild as the Pre-War government let them, or by letting the madness of isolation eat away at them.

                1. AlternatePFG says:

                  Yeah, I got the best Think Tank ending in my last playthrough by doing all their personal quests (Was level 40 with 10 intelligence and had 100 in most skills). Didn’t have enough points to pass most of the skill checks and wanted to get the different ending anyway.

                2. Varre says:

                  Speaking of personal quests, Josh MUST either bring a teddy bear, get his perception to 8, or take Lady Killer when he talks to Dala. Her ‘scanning’ orgasm thing was the funniest part of the whole DLC, along side Borous’s AMERICAN HIGH SCHOOL.

                  1. Ayegill says:

                    I almost wanted to get the “Kill The Think Tank” Ending, just to take revenge on Borous for inventing MOTHER FUCKING CAZADORES.

                    As it was, i just pretended to be mobius and took a small revenge by not doing his quest(the one with the dog bowl)

                    1. Kelly says:

                      The Dog Bowl is the only chance you get to make the Think Tank actually contemplate and feel guilty for their actions (well, Borous anyway).

            2. Raygereio says:

              On that subject.
              I find it interesting to compare Old World Blues to Dragon Age 2’s Legacy DLC which came out around the same time.
              Both are about equal in cost; yet Legacy takes barely 2 hours, while Old World Blues offers you a gameplay time rivaling that of most of full 50,- euros costing games these days.

              1. AlternatePFG says:

                I’ve never played a BioWare DLC (Awakening excluded) that was longer than 3 hours anyway.

                Ironically, I think OWB was almost as long as Awakening, and that was like 40$.

              2. Daemian Lucifer says:

                “while Old World Blues offers you a gameplay time rivaling that of most of full 50,- euros costing games these days.”

                So its 2 hours 52 minutes long?

                1. Raygereio says:

                  Well in this context “rivalling” means it’s longer then that.

                  On that note: Dear Ao, you have to be kidding me. Barely three hours for a game with that price? I know no one takes movie tie in games seriously, but that’s just ridiculous.

                  1. Daemian Lucifer says:

                    “Well in this context “rivalling” means it's longer then that.”

                    Still,its not something worth bragging about.

                    *sigh*Remember the days when we had no dlcs,but expansions?And when those expansions were even bigger than their original games,yet still cheaper?Good times,good times…

                    1. Raygereio says:

                      Still,its not something worth bragging about.

                      It is when you compare it to other DLC’s.

                      But yeah, I to recall the good old days of decent expansions. When it comes to most DLC, we just ended up paying more for less.

  12. JPH says:

    Funny story: I used to play Diablo 1 when I was three years old. My parents were okay with it because my brothers convinced me that it was ketchup, not blood, that the bad guys were spilling out onto the ground.

  13. Slip says:

    Okay, now I understand what you guys meant by confusing rat mazes. I never bothered with Three Marys for some reason, so I was luckily spared from its particular brand of torture.

    On a different note, I think what I liked most in HH was luring bunches of enraged White Legs to the readily available stream so that I could watch the cool sink/float animation of their dead bodies… yeah.

    1. Ironically, three Marys is a completely linear segment arranged in an S curve, plus a cave you have to go through. There’s nothing maze-like about it, it just all looks identical

  14. cadrys says:

    Voice mods: there was SILLY.WAD for the original DOOM that replaced the sounds with…well, silly. “POW” (pistol, chaingun) “BANG, shick-shuck” (shotgun).

    The best being the Imps wakeup call of “Where are my pants?” The wife and I still use that when looking for things (almost always not pants).

      1. Irridium says:

        I believe there’s also a mod that replaces guns with various fingers. Like, for the pistol it’s your hand that has the index finger extended with the thumb up, to imitate a gun.

        It adds to the hilarity.

        Wait… I actually think it was a Counter Strike mod instead of an HL2 mod… maybe it was for both. Can’t remember.

  15. Even says:

    The way the whole drama plays out was for me the most disappointing thing about the ending. There’s no reason to feel sorry or pity for Salt-Upon-Wounds. If he’d only shown some actual emotion. Still, sparing him actually ends being even more cruel than death given the ending he gets, where he ends up as a broken man and has to eventually witness the slaughter of his whole tribe before he dies.

    The Sorrows’ change in nature stems actually from the New Canaanites being admired and worshipped as being the true followers of the Father in the Caves (which again, is info hidden in dialogue) and the Sorrows look up to them for guidance. Daniel and Joshua are both seen as leaders and whatever they do would have an impact on the Sorrows.

    A thing about Daniel is that his contempt for violence stems from having to witness the razing of New Canaan and especially the death of his mentor, Bishop Mordecai, who was burned to death in his house, unable to escape because of a handicap. More importantly, he feels guilty for the New Canaanites indirectly bringing the war to the Sorrows (and other tribes) since they were deemed guilty by association by Caesar. The White Legs had already wiped out a couple of tribes prior to the happenings in Zion hence it’s easy to see why he’s so eager to leave the place.

    Joshua, on the other hand, is a good example of the phrase “The path to hell is paved with good intentions”. In past and in present. He’s only doing what he deems right and just, but he fails to see the effect it has on him, fueling the darker sides of his soul, making him in effect becoming the feared Legate he once was. Preaching his own interpretations of his religion’s beliefs to the impressionable Sorrows’ it at least in essence makes quite a lot of sense for them to make the turn, especially when those beliefs won the war.

    The whole angle for having the Courier intervene in the scene to offer Joshua the chance to redeem himself “in his darkest hour” just fails flabbergastingly here. I only realized what I’d done when the ending slide told me. Which is why I wish they’d handled the whole ending scene differently.

    Edit: Is there a specific reason I’m in the moderation queue again?

    1. Kresh says:

      Quote: “In past and in present. He's only doing what he deems right and just, but he fails to see the effect it has on him, fueling the darker sides of his soul, making him in effect becoming the feared Legate he once was.”

      Well, that’s the thing. I think the Courier’s job is to either lead Joshua’s slide back into damnation, or show him that one can provide wasteland/ Mohave justice and not become a monster. Unfortunately the quest dialogue/ choices are so hamfisted that it’s almost stupid.

      Really, this is, to me, the worst DLC out of all the Fallout DLCs… except for the Survivalist messages. I’m a story guy and it pains me to say that the story stuff is so good that it almost makes up for the unrealistic “moral” choices the developers wanted you to make.

      The loot box at the end was so 4th wall. I mean, really? If they didn’t want people to murder characters for their clothes then they shouldn’t put the characters in a game that’s part of the sandbox genre… or they shouldn’t give them unique clothes. It’s not hard but somehow those people at Obsidian make it seem really difficult… to trust that they know what they’re doing. This DLC made it seem that they were just phoning it in, but the release of OWB showed that all their resources actually went into the 3rd DLC.

      Thus, HH was a filler DLC. Glad I only paid $3.50 for it. I think I actually might have paid too much.

      1. Raygereio says:

        the worst DLC out of all the Fallout DLCs

        Really? You didn’t mean to say “New Vegas DLCs”? Because Fallout 3 featured such wonders of DLC-shit as Mothership Zeta, Operation Anchorage and Point Lookout.

        1. Entropy says:

          I thought Point Lookout was ok, as the FO3 DLCs went. TBH, I think Dead Money was worse than Honest Hearts as well.

          1. Raygereio says:

            Honestly, I can see that.
            While I really liked Dead Money’s writing, both that and the way it’s presented to the player just doesn’t appeal to everyone.
            Meanwhile the gameplay of Dead Money just really isn’t good enough to carry it on it’s own.

        2. Destrustor says:

          I liked mothership zeta. It was less stupid than anchorage and less unfairly difficult than point lookout.
          Plus, SPACE BATTLE!!!

          1. Rasha says:

            Point lookout unfairly difficult? Really? I went through that place with nothing but a hunting rifle and flamer. Also no stimpaks. Wearing tribal garb as soon as possible. Not to mention no beds.

            1. Raygereio says:

              Yeah, Point Lookout wasn’t difficult. I did thought the swamps however were a pain to walk around in.
              My level of annoyance after 15 minutes of Point Lookout swamps was far higher then after 15 minutes of Dead Money’s fogmaze.

            2. Destrustor says:

              Yeah, but I mean the deformed locals do crazy amounts of damage with weapons that shouldn’t hurt that much. They’re basically cheating. Once I took the sneak+snipe approach of not even getting shot, they weren’t a problem, but still…
              I could, in theory, also have tanked them with my 200+ stimpacks and my usual fifty pounds of food, but its just not my style.

  16. HeroOfHyla says:

    I think kismesis probably rhymes with nemesis.

    1. Vect says:

      It’s a amalgam of Kismet and Nemesis.

  17. Alex the Elder says:

    Watching Josh troll the audience and his fellow commentators with deliberately boneheaded and/or annoying gameplay choices and tics is giving me a strong desire to get the game myself just so that I can go through and play it PROPERLY. I don’t even own a Windows computer these days (well, not a current-gen one), but I’d be prepared to make a Windows partition just to play New Vegas at this point if it didn’t mean giving an outrageous amount of money to Microsoft for something I wouldn’t use for anything else.

    Recognizable troll-playthroughs of games could actually be a powerful marketing tool. I’m serious.

    1. Dante says:

      Oh, you’re one of THOSE PEOPLE.

      I have Fallout 3, Fallout: New Vegas, and Bioshock, even though I’ve seen Josh blast through all 3 of them, I still play them for the exact reason you stated.

  18. The Defenestrator says:

    I want you to know that, during the sale recently, I bought Fallout: New Vegas solely because of what I’ve seen of it on Spoiler Warning. I did not buy Fallout 3 or any DLC, also solely based on Spoiler Warning.

    1. Bubble181 says:


      1. Chuck says:

        I got Mass Effect and Fallout 3 GOTY Edition because of Spoiler Warning, and got New Vegas because my eyes were opened to RPG games being fun.

        I also got Sam and Max because of Stolen Pixels and am seriously considering getting Fallout 1 from Good Ol’ Games.

        Forget DRM, use let’s plays for marketing.

    2. Ayegill says:

      I just got HH and OWB, since i already own two fallout 3 DLCs(and the game), and Dead Money

    3. The Defenestrator says:

      By the way, follow-up to that: Last night I had a dream where I discovered that the pull-off lids for cans of cat food had a weight of — and a value of 1, so I decided to pick them up and sell them later.

  19. Vect says:

    Wh-why are you guys going into the Crimson Caravan?

    1. Moriarty says:

      Presumably to sell stuff. Josh is carrying way more than he will be able to when his strength-drugs run out.

      1. Vect says:

        Yeah, I was just worried that they’ll go on a rampage on McLafferty and her goons.

        Actually, why am I worried? I don’t even like McLafferty.

    2. bit says:

      They have caps, a good four or five thousand of them.

      Edit; Per merchant, I mean. I forget if there’s more than one.

  20. retas14 says:

    So Rutskarn you are mumbles kismesis interesting, do you two go out often on some hatred filled hatedate trough the mojave wasteland in search of people to troll ?

    1. This entire series is Josh hateflirting with all 3 of them.

      1. AbruptDemise says:

        Don’t forget Shamus trying to be an Auspistice. I say trying because, well, you can see how well that’s turned out.

      2. Destrustor says:

        Josh is the subjugglator, clowning around until EVERYONE IS DEAD.

        1. retas14 says:

          QUICK someone give josh a big slimepie … and a faygo. HoNk :o)

        2. So:
          Shamus=I dunno, Karkat?

          Cuftbert=Jack Noir?

          This so needs to be a fanart, or a modified version of this

          1. retas14 says:

            I would say mumbles is kanaya, because she likes boobs and she’s a (cannibal) so she’s like a rainbow drinker. Also i watch john and dave play sburb so many times now i can say everything without even watching it.

            1. OK, yeah that fits way better.

          2. retas14 says:

            And an other little thing if you have seen the washington rap that mumbles posted on her site, you should go on youtube and search for equius zahhak the vid is the first one the list, its so hilarious its a motherfrucking MiRaClE.

          3. Destrustor says:

            Shamus= Doc scratch: old and omniscient, and classy as hell.

            1. But if he’s Doc Scratch, the shipping grid doesn’t work because he’s not a troll.

              1. HeroOfHyla says:

                Well if Karkat can hatecrush on John I don’t see why someone couldn’t be interested in Scratch.

  21. Archaic says:

    the worst part of those thorn side quests was finding that cazadore nest which is in probably one of the hardest to find locations on the map. probably because when you look at the path to get there it looks too steep to actually climb, also if you play with partner npcs they cannot climb the path. but otherwise its not bad otherwise the rest of the parts of it are somewhat easier to find.

    1. Ayegill says:

      The worst part was fighting those motherfucking cazadores

    2. Destrustor says:

      Its actually much easier to find and navigate if you start from jacobstown. Still shitloads of cazadores in the way, though.

  22. Kdansky says:

    But it’s not so much of an issue, because Bethesda has taken great care and designed an easy to use, practical and pretty interface for the inventory!

    1. Zukhramm says:


    2. Fang says:

      This man is right. So glad we could have a nice inventory screen to look at.

  23. ps238principal says:

    I'd apologize for us spending half an episode selling vendor trash and juggling inventory, but I think I need to save that apology for tomorrow. Things are about to get much, much worse.

    So bad that they destroyed the episode itself?

    1. Dante says:

      Yea seriously, where’s todays ep?

      1. Destrustor says:

        The episode has been lost in the perilous depths of Reginald’s inventory.
        O episode how we will miss ye.

  24. Ravens Cry says:

    After the beautiful maze of Honest Hearts, the Mojave looks even more dull, grey and monochrome.

  25. 4th Dimension says:

    Where is Friday episode?!?

    1. Raygereio says:

      I guess we now know why Shamus was saving up that apology.

    2. Michael says:

      Yes, how dare our free entertainment be kept from us.

      Shamus, you monster.


      1. ps238principal says:

        As someone who also provides “free entertainment” on a website, nothing hurts a readership like not posting stuff. “Complaining” is also a way a webmaster can be made aware of a problem that might currently be unnoticed.

        1. Michael says:

          I thought the “/rolleyes” comment made it clear but…

          I was being sarcastic. I honestly don’t know any other way to convey that through text without a disclaimer.

          I assumed 4th Dimension’s double interrobang was in jest; thought I’d join in.

        2. KremlinLaptop says:


          Also, the content is free but is the readership? That is to say that while for me Spoiler Warning is free, is the readership free for Shamus? With his less and less focused on programming, writing another book, etc, I have to imagine that TwentySided is something of an in-direct or possibly even direct source of revenue. That’s not just the PayPal button, either.

          I think regular readers are the ones most likely to buy Shamus’ book, the ones most likely to talk about it, to recommend the site, the book, to tell a friend. When the regularity of free content begins to fluctuate the readership will start dwindling. Only very loyal ones will retain interest if there isn’t a new post for weeks on end, if there’s a ‘schedule’ for content which isn’t kept, etc, etc. The effects of lost readers ripple outwards, so what was just complaints over something free not being there to entertain us will in the long run hurt the possibilities of not-so-free content.

          The only reason I read Shamus’ articles on the Escapist was because he linked them, I liked them very much, but if he neglected Twenty Sided and never posted links to them I wouldn’t have ever read them. The Escapist paid him (hopefully?) for that content, so being able to get a number of readers from here to there was a good thing.

          Then finally on top of all that this blog acts not only as a source of publicity (by which someone willing to pay Shamus to be a huge dork might notice) but also acts as a CV. If I was the editor of an online/glossy magazine thinking I want to hire someone to write a five part series on procedural content, would I pick Shamus — who has lots of proof of consistency and quality — or some guy with a blog who wrote a VERY in-depth and insightful post on procedural content two years ago, with (Part 1) in the title and never bothered to follow up?

          I’d hire the consistent guy, I don’t care if the other guy shits rainbows if he can’t keep the shitting on a somewhat regular schedule.

          Also this isn’t me lambasting Shamus&co for not having a SW episode on Friday. They do amazing work and Shamus keeps to his schedules really damn well, which I find bloody impressive — I’d post once a month and I’d probably just tell everyone about how I made awesome pancakes. This is more just me voicing my opinion on how ‘free’ isn’t really free.

          Best example of this: Jeph Jacques who writes and draws Questionable Content. Five days a week, I’ve never seen him actually not post SOMETHING up even if it’s just Angry Bird, because I know there’ll be a comic everyday I keep checking every weekday. It’s ‘free’ yet somehow I own quite a bunch of QC related t-shirts…

          1. Michael says:

            Wait wait wait wait.

            “Buy Shamus’ book?” I must have missed that post. Since when could I do that?

            RE: Everything Else:
            I understand that nothing is truly free. It costs someone, somewhere, something to create and distribute that product. The content doesn’t actively cost consumers money to consume, though, and that’s as far as most consumers are concerned.

            1. KremlinLaptop says:

              Ah, yeah, but my point was that sometimes the ‘free’ stuff that seems like it would cost the creator is actually making money for them in odd ways. So there’s an incentive, beyond just creativity, to keep doing this. Monies, glorious glorious monies. With which to purchase food and shelter.

              Also I’m sort of… assuming Shamus’ book he’s been banging on about writing is going to be a purchasable book? Hoping, at least. It’d be nice to have on my coffee table.

          2. 4th Dimension says:

            Hah. JJ, has nothing on Howard Tayler of http://www.schlockmercenary.com/ . The guy who for the past 11 (eleven) years has been publishing 7 comics per week, excatly on time each day. Even when the power transformer supplying his server literary blew up, he put another site up in order to deliver the content on time. He is The Determinator of Web Comics.

          3. Rayen` says:

            well if you need the guy to sh!t rainbows regularly might i suggest adding more fiber to his diet?

            1. KremlinLaptop says:

              “Our latest addition to the team is Bob. Craps out rainbows like clockwork now that we started getting some more fibre into his diet. Don’t you, Bob?”

              And that wasn’t even the strangest job Bob’s ever had, poor man.

    3. Annikai says:

      If I had to guess it seems like youtube might not be uploading properly this week. All of the shows this week have been at least a few hours off of schedule and youtube has been doing this weird thing with my subscription to them where it says that they’ve uploaded something but nothing is uploaded. I think that what’s happening is that youtube is being finicky and not uploading the episode properly. I’m pretty sure it is a youtube problem because a number of the channels that I follow on it seem to be having the same problem.

      1. Indy says:

        It’s more likely that it’s just not up to standard and they don’t want to have a non-stop inventory episode.

        1. Annikai says:

          I don’t think so. They definitely tried to upload something yesterday.

  26. mumakil says:

    U can check the livestream for the whole recording session and see into the spoiler warning future! no chat though which is sad :(. IT does show however the horrors shamus warned about! So much inventory managment do wonder theres no episode :D there seems to be hardly anything to show us.


    this weeks spoiler warnings :D I would tell u guys when the new footage starts but i forgot and im too lazy to check again.

    1. Even says:

      1:46:20, I can’t believe my eyes.

    2. Indy says:

      Somehow, I feel like part of the magic just left the show. It was great wondering what exactly Josh would do next, wondering what wierd and whacky bugs he would run into. Still, the best part of the show is the banter but now there’s just a little bit less behind it.

      Having said that, it is nice to see Josh get some use out of the incinerator.

      1. mumakil says:

        U dont have to watch it :D I never do expect this once as i wanted to see what shamus wanted to be sorry for.

        Only things i watch there are vids of josh playing left 4 dead :D.

  27. Fat Tony says:

    Haven’t been keeping up with the videos or comments for a while, I’m just checking to see If my Gravatar is working with my new Email.

  28. Sleeping Dragon says:

    So here’s something unrelated. Since you guys (the SW team) are at least somewhat familiar with Amnesia I thought I’d link something that I just stumbled on:


    So here’s the “word of dev” on what they were trying to do, how they were trying to do it and for what reasons. I have seen quite a bit of the game though am not familiar with it intimately, which may or may not be related to the fact I scare very easily but I am curious if this will bring up any thoughts.

  29. Dante says:

    Should we email Shamus, or am I just worrying too much?

    1. Raygereio says:

      You can start worrying if no SW episode arrives today. Friday’s ep was probably cancelled due to it not being fun, or whatever the reason might be.

    2. LB says:

      Have no fears, person that shares my F:NV character’s name. The glory of a thirty minute long episode has been provided for the faithful Followers of the Warningpocalypse. Sadly, Mumbles’ absence continues. .

  30. Eljacko says:

    (Rutskarn accurately uses the word kismesis.)

    Me: (High Voice, Rising Inflection) Oh my god (the -ah in god is sustained for several seconds) Rutskarn reads Homestuck! Fanboy squee!

    On reflection, Rutskarn might have found out what kismesis means some other way, i.e. not by reading Homestuck, but I find that unlikely since those who follow Homestuck generally fail to grasp some of its more abstract social constructs.

  31. Austin says:

    Since nobody posted this in like 5 years.

    I’ve been leaving on my things, so in the morning when the morning bird sings…

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