DM of the Rings XC:
Don’t Dream it’s Over

By Shamus
on Apr 20, 2007
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DM of the Rings

The battle drags on.
And on and on.

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  1. Bookworm says:

    *Love* the picture of Aragorn fighting while asleep. Perfect!

  2. Myxx says:

    I really don’t care about being first to post…

  3. Seph says:

    Great comic keep up the good work! :-)

  4. Myxx says:

    lol. which is apparently a good thing.

  5. Seph says:

    Damn you bookworm!

  6. Browncoat says:

    Sorry to begin with a negative, but theres a typo in first panel: “Strikes” not “Stikes”

    Now then, is it just me, or does Legolas’ dream of continually shooting orcs in the eye sockets and watching others stab them in the face seem unusually violent for a girl?

    • Joe says:

      In my last campaign we had three guys and three girls. One of the girls was playing a cleric, one a wizard, and one a rogue. The one playing the cleric was like hyper-sensitive to role-playing realism; she winced every time one of us took a hit, seemed genuinely nervous when lots of enemies turned up. The one playing the rogue responded to most situations with “I stab him with my poisoned dagger as I’m walking by.” The wizard was very excited to reach level 3 because she was so desperate to start casting fireballs. She’d gloat after every session. “Okay, you killed two, you killed six, you killed five, I killed twenty-two, you killed eight…did I mention I killed twenty-two? Oh, and you killed eleven. Twenty-two, huh? That’s Fireball for ya.” Way too enthusiastic when it came to blowing things up.

    • Spike says:

      Browncoat
      No, it says ‘strikes’ in the first panel.

  7. Another good one!

    I love the three pictures on the second line (frame 2,3 and 4), their faces are perfect.

    Keep up the good work!

  8. Gothmog says:

    I agree with TwiddleStooch, Shamus, the images in second line are spot-on.
    Great job!

  9. CryptoKnight says:

    “You really need to cut back on the Mountain Dew, kid.”

    ROTFL!

    D&D wouldn’t be the same with out Gaming Juice! We keep a mini-fridge stocked with the Dewge for our sessions. Usually two or three 2-liters worth plus a 24 pack of cans.

    It’s nice to know we’re not alone in our addiction.

    ( 8-( /)

  10. Deoxy says:

    Oh, man – that second to last frame was GREAT, both dialogue and picture (I bow before the might of your screen-capture fu!)… and then you added the last frame, which was so good that I actually snickered out loud (at work)!

    Great stuff – keep it up!

  11. Kivan says:

    Long time reader, first time poster ;)

    I’ve been in situations like this, admittedly only when playing NWN. But the situation’s the same. Seemingly endless hordes of badguys does not make a good fight scene, especially when you know you’ve got to win for the adventure to continue.

    Love Gimli’s look of tiredness in 2nd panel. And Aragorn Sleep-Fighting. That should be a feat for DnD!

  12. Woerlan says:

    Now we have some solid evidence of the age of the players. I expected “Legolas” to be a lot younger. Like, high school.

    That’s some determined DM. I thought that they’d break for the next game session once the wall blew up. Leave the adventure on a cliffhanger. Now it seems that he wants to finish the whole Helm’s Deep sequence at one go. Gimli’s gonna start mentioning breakfast and coffee soon.

  13. Issachar says:

    Great. Now I have Crowded House stuck in my head. At least it’s a song I like. :-)

    Oh yeah, and great comic as usual. Another fine contrast in the attitudes and life realities of the players.

  14. George says:

    another great comic.

    “Nah don’t sweat it i was failing before we started this campaign”

    From the looks of it i am guessing the DM has gandalf just show up since the PC’s are tired but first i think you need some clips of aragorn telling the king to “ride out” because i can see some of those screenshots being beautiful for witty remarks

  15. Scarlet Knight says:

    I’m curious, Shamus; Did you know the ages of the players when you started writing, or did they evolve as the jokes & images occurred? I feel like I know these players better than some of the guys in my game club!

  16. Jindra34 says:

    God it just keeps getting funnier… WILL IT NEVER STOP?!

  17. Carl the Bold says:

    13 Issachar Says:

    April 20th, 2007 at 11:20 am
    Great. Now I have Crowded House stuck in my head.

    —-

    I’ve enjoyed Crowded House in the past, and wondered what song you were talking about. I went back up and searched through the comic again, looking for some hint of a Crowded House lyric or song title.

    Duh.

    It always seems that I forget to read the titles of the episodes as they come up. I was terribly excited for catching the Schroedinger’s allusion, thinking I caught a sly little joke. The next day I read the title of the comic and realized that it was less subtle than I thought.

  18. Blindeye says:

    Huge combats like that can be pretty tough. I ran (In my Exalted game) a fight between my two Lunar players and 50 angry mortals. It lasted three hours and only stopped because they made the Dragon-Blooded Wyld Hunter flee, thus causing everyone to make moral rolls, and failing or botching them all.
    Only five kills were had in those three hours.

    Crazy fight to be sure, and I now know the limits of a mass (not Mass) combat.

  19. Shamus says:

    Scarlet Knight: Some yes, some no. I had a very clear personality for Aragorn, Gimli, and Legolas, but the others were much more vague. In fellowship, the pace was so fast and the crowd so big that we never saw much of their personalities. I really like writing for the smaller group better.

    (Although, the violet violent streak for Legolas is a recent development. I like it.)

  20. Clyde says:

    Eh, college degree or world’s deadliest bowman: Which is really more important?

  21. Jill says:

    Violet streak? Hmm, perhaps Leggolass /would/ do well with a streak in that long hair. ;) At any rate… Never discount a female’s capacity for rampant chaos. Doing so will eventually come back to stab you in the face.

  22. Clyde says:

    And if that steak is violet, Shamus, it’s gone off! Throw it out!

  23. DiamondMX says:

    2 Lunars, vs 50 mortals… and it took 3 hours to get 5 kills?
    Were the lunars asleep, tied up, and possibly also already dead to get such a low kill count?

  24. Deathblade_Penguin/aka Minion of Darkness says:

    too tired to come up with a witty comment (it’s nearly 3am here in Melbourne)… another classic Shamus..

    Long live the Battle for Helm’s Deep.

  25. Jindra34 says:

    Diamond much of that time would be spent rolling for the 50 mortals… it probably only lasted three rounds or so,,,

  26. Rebecca says:

    Uh-oh! Legolas is pulling ahead of Gimli and Aragorn as my favorite player!

  27. james says:

    Man, I was up all last night reading these. Now I’m caught up.

    Is there a shedule that you update on, or should I just check every two days or so?

  28. Jindra34 says:

    JAmes: he updates around noon on monday wednesday and friday

  29. Alex says:

    First of all (and I’m not sure if you even read these, but) great job on the comic, it is very popular and enjoyable and I hope you keep making it.

    Second, does anyone else notice how the stills help the flaws in this movie come out?

    For example, in first panel (or shot?) in the comic above the whole castle just looks like a miniature from warhammer.
    And in the pictures of Gimli his head looks way too big for his body (or rathre his shoulders looks too narrow for a dwarf).

    P.s
    One last thing I have to say to somebody that might care:
    The casting in this movie, at least elf-wise, was horrible.
    Liv tyler is an over sized cow and certainly not elf-like and there wasn’t one actor that made a believable elf (apart from maybe the guy who played Elrond, maybe) and I’m not talking about the acting just how they looked even though the acting was not great either.
    But Liv Tyler and the “elf-commander” were just shit as elves.

  30. Dave says:

    What? No 4/20 joke? Lame

    I agree with gimli though, nothing is more boring than uber-long battles. The DM should’ve just listened to Aragorn last strip and made the whole battle a LOT shorter. I smell deus ex machina coming, which usually makes players even more upset, lol

  31. xargon says:

    Reminds me of a 2-hour epic barfight in a game recently…among other things, we all became very good with the unarmed combat and grapple rules.

  32. Bugsysservant says:

    “The casting in this movie, at least elf-wise, was horrible.”-Alex

    While on the whole I agree with you, I think Galadriel and Elrond were both decent. The latter is especially true when you consider that Elrond is only half elf and as such should have a certain “manishness” about him. And Galadriel played the part of the 15,000 year old Noldor decently at least, though her acting was ruined by the crappy turning-evil-in-the-face-of-tempation special effects that they added in.

  33. Shamus says:

    Alex: I read every comment. Thanks for reading. :)

  34. Osvaldo Mandias says:

    Hey, folks, the player who does Legolas isn’t a girl. I’m pretty sure its an all-male group so far.

  35. elda says:

    Now then, is it just me, or does Legolas’ dream of continually shooting orcs in the eye sockets and watching others stab them in the face seem unusually violent for a girl?

    actually i’m a girl, and that’s pretty much all i think about. somethings gotta keep me awake through french class.

    J’aime des….mecredi stay awake! (for some reason the teacher calls me wedenesday.)

  36. kenderweasel says:

    “Now then, is it just me, or does Legolas’ dream of continually shooting orcs in the eye sockets and watching others stab them in the face seem unusually violent for a girl?”

    I’m a girl, and it seems that every character I play eventually ends up like that – for instance the jedi that stared of being calm and sesible, and ended up keeping a list of the various different limbs and things she’d cut off. Guys are a bad influence…

  37. Scarlet Knight says:

    3 to 1 the line “You stab like a girl” gets used in the Eowyn-Nazgul death scene…

    5 to 1 we also get “Help! Come se the violets inherent in the system!”

  38. Deoxy says:

    Hey, folks, the player who does Legolas isn’t a girl.

    That’s a reference to the ongoing “all elves are girls” joke. See “Leggy-lass”, Aragorn hitting on “her”, etc.

    Bugsysservant, +1. Haldir in particular did not appear at all Tolkien elvish. Some of the extras weren’t too bad.

    And in the pictures of Gimli his head looks way too big for his body (or rathre his shoulders looks too narrow for a dwarf).

    This is an effect caused by the large helmet. Seriously – try to get a feel for the size of his head without the helmet, and it doesn’t seem nearly so bad.

  39. Deoxy says:

    for instance the jedi that stared of being calm and sesible, and ended up keeping a list of the various different limbs and things she’d cut off.

    To be fair, that’s at least partially due to the jedi weapon of choice…

  40. Erin Storts says:

    I too am a violent girl gamer … past characters keep having this annoying habit of getting into incredibly violent skirmishes and losing bits of clothing in process. (Has something to do with me rolling high appearance scores and the DM liking to torture me, I think…) So far my current character hasn’t lost any clothes in battle, but she does have an NPC lusting after her. *sigh*

    I love having things go all explodey like. And Legolas “I wanna stab another orc in the eye” is a lot like things I’ve said in game many times.

  41. GEBIV says:

    I have to disagree with Legolas’ violent streak being a recent thing. Anyone remember poor Gollum?

    “You see something…”

    “I shoot it! I rolled a 20!”

    • johanna says:

      Thanks for reminding me, good times!! Yes as a girl player, I find that I am easily persuaded to get bloodthirsty. Also, ever since I started gaming again watching commercials always makes me wish I had something stabby for the announcer who is yelling at me. Was I this violent before? I don’t remember wanting to stab people in commercials in the past. Not that I would ever do it, my TV is AWESOME!!

  42. wtrmute says:

    Elda… My Spanish teaching wife says “Miercoles” a lot (which is wednesday, as well), usually a stand-in for a similar word. If my guess’s right, your teacher isn’t being terribly polite. Or perhaps she only using that word when she’s telling you to remain awake?

    And Shamus, another great comic. Especially the interaction between Legolas and Gimli they make a great comic duo. It’s almost like Laurel and Hardy!

  43. Hoyce says:

    Very amusing. Aragorn sleeping, the consistantly excited looks on Legolas’ face, the punchline.

    Hoyce approves.

  44. Flexstyle says:

    The thing that caught me about this one was the fact that Legolas was still at it, just like the last comic. Call me easy to please, but that just caught me and made the whole comic even funnier.

    Oh, and I love his comment about failing before the campaign started.

  45. Heather says:

    I still think you should have added that he was asleep seated straight up in his chair, head back, and snoring loudly while the other players (other than mountain dew boy who was bouncing off the ceiling) were barely awake lying under the table–that would have been most realistic–at least in our games. :)

  46. Madalch says:

    Mountian Dew? Why not drink something with caffiene in it?

    (Due to a bizarre Canadian law, our Mountain Dew is caffiene-free, since it’s not cola-coloured. Only cola-coloured pop is allowed to have caffiene.)

  47. James Blair says:

    Actually, I thought the special Galariel effects were pretty close to how the book described it. Like Gandalf’s declaration that he’s “no conjurer of cheap tricks”, Galadriel was supposed to look a bit “otherworldly” at that point of her speech. In her case, I think she did that mostly to scare Frodo out of the idea of offering the Ring to her again!

    Movie-Frodo reminded me of Errand from the Belgariad series, back when he ran up to everyone and kept offering the More-Powerful-Than-Gods Orb to everyone he sees. Let’s just say Movie-Ring must give its bearer a -100 situational modifier to Sense Motive. I can just imagine…

    Gollum: I try to Bluff Frodo into ordering Sam to go away!

    DM: Sorry, don’t tell me you’re using a skill, tell me what you’re doing! I’m the one to decide what skill you’re using.

    Gollum: … Well … hmm … hsssss … my preciousss … Fat Sam’s been stealing all our Lembas bread! Ssends him packing!

    DM: Given that you hate that Lembas stuff, that’s pretty unlikely. Tell you what, though, make a Bluff check with -20 modifier and you do it.

    Gollum: Ssss… hsss… I rolled an 18… with the -20 that comes out to… hsss… -6. Curse those nassty Charisma modifiers!

    DM: OK, that worked.

    Frodo/Sam: Whaat?

    DM: The Ring’s clouding your mind again, Frodo. Gollum has apparently convinced you that, since Sam stole your Lembas bread, he’s perfectly capable of stealing the Ring as well. It makes perfect sense if you think about it.

    Frodo: Perfect sense if I didn’t know Gollum’s even more obviously after the Ring, and Sam’s probably the only one around here who DOESN’T want the ring…

    DM: As I said, the Ring’s clouding your mind… look, do I have to dock your XP for refusing to roleplay?

    Frodo: Sounds more like a railroad to me. Sigh. Go away Sam.

  48. ladyalinor says:

    I usually liked to blow things up to tiny bits and most of the other girlgamers I know also tend to be a tad violent.

    Browncoat Says:
    Now then, is it just me, or does Legolas’ dream of continually shooting orcs in the eye sockets and watching others stab them in the face seem unusually violent for a girl?

  49. Jindra34 says:

    Madalch: In the USA mountain dew is one of the most caffinated drinks but i think thats obvious… would have been funny if the mentioned Jolt Cola…

  50. “Gimli’s gonna start mentioning breakfast and coffee soon.”

    Reminds me of one particular summer gaming session back in High School. It was an exciting adventure that just kept going, and the sun was coming up, and one of us (the older brother of another) said “Guys, I have to go.” We started razzing him about having no stamina, to which he replied “No, no… I have to go TO WORK.” *Grin*

  51. Salen says:

    Legolas is all hyped up on Mountain Dew. Well that explains a lot. I remember one player in my old gaming group was the same way. That probably explains quite a lot too.

    But yeah, time for the Gandolf saves the day comic! I’m sure they’ll be ticked off to hear that all they did was just stall the orks long enough for Gandolf to save the day.

  52. Beckyzoole says:

    I love Legolas’s facial expressions! Perfect!

  53. Scarlet Knight says:

    “Galadriel played the part of the 15,000 year old Noldor decently at least”

    I wouldn’t want to be the casting director, I tell you!

    “OK, find me a Galadriel. She has to be eternally young, and beautiful enough to have a dwarf, at first sight, ask her for a lock of her hair & be willing to duel to the death anyone who even speaks ill of her; & she has to convey that she has the wisdom of living thousands of years. I want a list by lunch…No, we can’t use Zoot, she’s already booked on Broadway…”

  54. Proteus says:

    I have to admit, the last few installments weren’t doing it for me… until THIS one! I had exactly this experience playing with a bunch of single, childless gamers. They make you want to yell, “C’mon guys, it’s 3-freaking-AM! Don’t you have a life?!”

    But you don’t, because you already know the answer…

  55. Attorney At Chaos says:

    J’aime des….mecredi stay awake! (for some reason the teacher calls me wedenesday.)

    Perhaps it’s a reference to the rhyme that includes “Wednesday’s child is full of woe” (which is also why the little girl in The Addams Family was named Wednesday).

  56. General Ghoul says:

    46 Madalch Says:
    Mountian Dew? Why not drink something with caffiene in it?
    (Due to a bizarre Canadian law, our Mountain Dew is caffiene-free, since it’s not cola-coloured. Only cola-coloured pop is allowed to have caffiene.)

    Now Canada has moved up to most evil nation, inching (centimetering for you Canucks)ahead of North Korea.

    30 Dave Says:
    What? No 4/20 joke? Lame

    I second this, now back to my second bag of Doritos.

  57. AndrewNZachsDad says:

    There is a (relatively) new Mountain Dew Energy beverage available in Canada. I wasn’t aware that the MD formula was different in the states. That might explain why I WASN’T ABLE TO BLINK the last time I was in your country…

    Scarlet Knight Says:
    I wouldn’t want to be the casting director, I tell you! “OK, find me a Galadriel…”

    Imagine calling the actress to offer her the part?

    “Cate! Honey! Listen, we need someone to play a 15,000 year-old woman and I immediately thought of you! Hello? Hello?”

  58. Thastygliax says:

    The last panel reminds me of my one experience playing in a Dark Sun campaign. The DM had us make up our character tree, even loaned me “The Complete Psionic’s Handbook” so I could learn those rules, and ran us through two sessions of the module that comes with the boxed set. And then he went, “Oh ^$&$*!! I’m flunking out of college!” and stopped the game in order to try to save his grades…which didn’t work, so he softly and silently vanished away, and never was heard from again.

  59. Nogard_Codesmith says:

    Reading on the run. Just wanted to say HAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHahahahahaha
    You are producing pure gamer geek gold here Shamus.

    Also… Happy 4/20 to everyone who cares. ^_^

  60. Jindra34 says:

    So aragorn is sleep fighting…?

  61. Nogard_Codesmith says:

    I can’t find the Sleep Fighting feat in any of the books.

  62. Da Rogue says:

    Stabbing in da face…FUNNIES!!!
    Once again the gran master Shamus has made me laugh heartily.

  63. Bugsysservant says:

    “Frodo reminded me of Errand from the Belgariad series, back when he ran up to everyone and kept offering the More-Powerful-Than-Gods Orb to everyone he sees.”-James Blair

    Thats because he was the least qualified to posess it. Both Gimli and Aragorn would obviously be better as they are both combat tested wariors who would be immune to the influence of the ring. Gimli wouldn’t be effected as dwarves aren’t by rings of power (though with very prolonged exposure he may have kept it in his lust for gold), And Aragorn proved his will was stronger than that of Sauron when he wrested control of the Isengard palantir from Sauron.

  64. Oh…my…Grog.

    I’m suddenly glad I didn’t game when I was doing post-secondary studies. Eek!

    But Gimli’s rolling dice til my wife divorced me…priceless, hope it never hews to close to your own hedge, Shamus.

    The “marathon” session we had back at St.Patricks will hopefully never be beaten by our own future sessions.

    On the other hand, the DM, knowing what we’re in for this round (tomorrow night!), said today at work that she “(had) a feeling that someone is going to die early in the new campaign.” Eerie – how DOES she know that?

    Reintarnation, son – I’ve been smited!

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